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Mr P
ParticipantAs the West escalates beyond current terrorism on Telegram and in Belgorod region to frank bestiality, the latter will mature too, and bring into question many prior assumptions. (and the preceding sense of things)… May we properly regard this time as equivalent to a singularity? And may we also expect some sorts of real expressions of this? I thought NS job was over the line…speaking of Walter and Smoky at the bowling alley, with a 1911 between them…a sort of singularity of moment, where everything changes.
In the country-side of my youth there were many family farms, and ruins of more, commonly in the door-yards or barn-yards one would find old cast iron petrol engines, shattered by ice. Leave a glass of water out in winter…well, phuckaroundfindout. There is an inevitable explosion, small and rather slow, but audible…in big stuff it can be dangerous when solids break.
When the new phase occurs, the old beliefs shatter similarly, and with similarly, the attendant chemistry and violence. People sometimes speak of stages of grief, shock…ah dunno, not so structured perhaps, but nuanced and liable to crowd influences, shape-able…but explosive. Attempting to shape the narrative and social chaos will probably increase the shock, but I’d expect it.
The Great Fine Gentleman Dean Acheson wrote of being “present at the creation” (of the resurgent fascist armies and bindings generally spoken of as NATO). He was quite proud. And he is gone. (I remember the pro-nato advertising campaigns, a little. Now His Great Work crumbles… And we, who were present then, are present at the destruction. What wonders!
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At Chronicle term “Schrodinger’s Offensive” was coined. Quite fine! Bravo!
But this suggests an entire genre of Schrodinger jokes…
“Quick! where’s General Schrodinger!?”
“I don’t know Captain! Every time I look for him he’s not there.”
Then there’s General Schrodinger’s jeep… and so forth.
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Mr P
ParticipantMac Sweeney on Western Myth was quite fine, save for the unsupported last 4 para. Well, #4 was alright, mostly the 3 preceding para.
My understanding of the History dove-tails to hers. And my understanding of the present “values” runs to the values of The Damned and worse. I think at the end she’s paying service to a crowd. Viewing in realpolitik, so to say. Pretending, or maybe not. The academy can be brutal…one reason for existence is political control, of course.
She says> “…contemporary Western values such as liberal democracy, the rule of law, and equality of human rights; undeniably rooted in imperialism and white supremacy…”
I have not seen any Liberal Democracy for a long time, nor rule of law, etc…and I don’t see how, if these are bad, either mala in se or mala prohibita (due to unsupported claim of “roots”), it matters. Anyway, what’s wrong with rule of law and equality of rights? And how are these “bad”, is this some sort of “values racism”..”.like I didn’t like your daddy and I don’t care if you saved a kid from drowning, I still don’t like you”?
“If we want to…” and “What should we…” when referring to the West is just plain delusional, as it assumes political power is held by her class and cohort. It ain’t.
Now then, I do not assume that the Western Myth, whatever odd set of beliefs that may be, is not changing, an’ fast…partly, mostly, due to propaganda, like always. Partly due to technical gizmos…I’d include the campy dress-up under rubric “propaganda”…everywhere the icons burn…but it has nothing to do with “we need”. Rather otherwise…Du wirst die Käfer essen, so to say. Goebbels claimed he could make people believe just about anything.
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Hudson was superb. I’ll shall save pennies to buy the relevant tome. ($31+ buckies) I myself, you may imagine, eschew Augustine…Hudson gives the old fella a good take-down. I liked that. Schadenfreude, shame on me. Father and I would have had a disagreement about Augustine, something to discuss at any chance meeting…arm wrestling at “Abe’s Place” over bourbon and beers… Father took the Anglican view, aheemmm. They say I take after Mother…probably so, as that was a nutty family ‘way back. Heretics, Quakers, though Pop was of a Quaker line too. Anyway the Hudson interview with Ben Norton was thrilling.
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Mr P
ParticipantThanks very kindly Brother. I did know the Ehret paper, but Literary Hub article will be new and fun. The canonical History? Well, over time it became absurd, but your source. MacSweeney – this will be a joy.
Just now listening to Brother Hudson> https://youtu.be/Hqe3IQQo_t4
Complex “machines” generally require “repeaters” and feed-back “re-enforcement”…in the nuts and bolts realm this means actuators and sensors and amplifiers and servos and logic control – force times distance over time with a steam engine or whatnot somewhere. In the Perverse Realm and hinted at in The Damned and etc, in that Reality similar functions must obtain within the set of, well, devils’ agents…”mango” meaning “slave trader”, iirc the Latin, I would suggest. Thus there might be: financial amplifiers, control media, media amplifiers, control by latch-in or latch-out, or zeroing, surveys of opinion, agents, switching, nodes of logic (Soros et al), and a source of power – that’s to say, guns and money. Such a machine would “worship” power, especially over life and time. At least it seems like it would, and like it does. Like the Physics and the Chemistry, it can seduce. Another film I can’t bear to re-watch, Once Upon a Time in America….
A crew of Armenian house painters I ate with long ago spoke of Bush43, saying “His God is money”. Well…
Gee whiz…
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Mr P
ParticipantYour BBC cartoon is bitterly true. I generally check the lies by earphones/radio daily, and the focus on trivial is SOP, as is emotion…The government re-transmits BBC “nuz) as a “public service” sort of thing.
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Coincidental, it seems, to fascist and nazi character is sexual perversion and homoerotic iconography…the general idea being that it’s not mere coincidence, but a vivid manifestation of a pathogenesis in progress. Burroughs and N Lunch…and naturally Visconti’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_(1969_film) …and we may glimpse an American theme in Scorpio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_Rising_(film) …………. K Anger, in another story, tells of the Great James Dean of American movie iconography…and yeah…the whole pervert scene in Hollywood. I always thought the head shots were campy.
It’s no great insight to say “pathogenesis”, is it?
I suffered in discomfort through part of Damned… and Rising. The folks from Essen and Manchester’s book on the family – manifestly pirates and crazy. It’s interesting what did not get bombed, eh? I think Visconti’s thesis is convincing. I was very impressed.
Meantime a wonder-place> Dzungarian Gate and Herodotus’ mythical Hyperboreans…
https://thecradle.co/article-view/25429/the-sultan-20-will-heavily-tilt-east
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungarian_Gate#References

No doubt that the fascists will, having heard of the Hyperboreans, now bomb them…Arctic “Ford” excursion on the job. Yes, they’re navigationally impaired, but they’re ever so exceptionally inclusive of fools…lighthouses better move outtadaway!
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Italian bees are nice and even-tempered.
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Mr P
ParticipantFine cartoon! And painfully true. NPR, which retransmitts BBC “nuz”, also does the same rhetorical tricks.
evidently my previous, which does not appear, is waylaid by software. Excessive urls, I suppose. Movies and manifestations, just observations, mostly.
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Mr P
ParticipantNoting that the feelings of betrayal sometimes manifest in irrational form. Such is the way of men and women, and a driver of events that’s dangerously difficult, sometimes.
The old, and somewhat imaginary California of Steinbeck’s youth – well there were still some left-overs. I agree with him about not deserving the Nobel, but I also enjoy his prose for its easy moral seas. His lexicon and my own milk-tongue fit happily. Mother knew people that knew John socially, and said that the man was not very pleasant to engage with, but if so, he’s very easy to read.
Criticism> https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Bradbury_Mark_2007_The_Moon_Is_Down.pdf
It’s a white propaganda sketch, really, of morality and contrasts. Full of tasty bits. “The people? The people can do nothing, they’re disarmed”…and And Hunter said grimly, “It might be any one of
five men. I got all five.” He went on musingly, “It’s
so easy to wreck a dynamo if you know how. Just
short it and it wrecks itself” He said, “The light ought ought
to be on any time now.”(note the foreshadowing dual meaning, “light”. Old John was too innocent to see the war properly, but he sure teased out the singularities of Change and moral stress. The sketch was done for OSS, btw)
The psyop in the political-emotional realm inside US against these imaginary “far right whateverers” would presumably be used to make matters even worse…look at the poor people locked up for visiting by police invitation “the People’s House”, no habeas…no right even to life…”just short it and it wrecks itself”, and it has done. And now they’re trying to stop Time… “strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. ” (Paul) or the good old standby> Quos Jupiter perdere vtult prius dementat.
Nice day to garden…
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Mr P
Participant“They do not really know any longer which side they are on .. because the US is so clearly the aggressor and they know what it means in military terms. So, the Big Boat of Worry! They want to be proud of their own. I have a sorry sense for these guys .. and then they have to watch when Biden falls over (a sandbag they say). One can even..”
Not just those fellas. By degrees it’s a spreading gradual realization. ref my poor neighbor of whom I spoke. Veterans especially, my Army contract pals, the retired NCO’s, already had begun to realize even in the 90’s. They realize betrayal and the crimes, and this eats at them. Of course the moral realization and so on is one thing, but objective defeat and collapse, or whatever we see, that’s somewhat more immediate. These sum, I think. The contrast is blinding and stark. Humiliating. The iconoclastic process now shattering the basic assumptions, especially for MacGregor and kind, must be terrifying. Mother did instill Doubt in me, but the cadet period left some confusion.
At one time the paperback “Sand Pebbles” (then widely read in USN), was perhaps an echo from the future, in a literary way everybody knew it was coming – The sun rise in the East…so to say.
The senile fella…what’s the penal code statute for elder abuse anyway?
He’s a victim of his own character made worse by those who hustle him, pimp him, really. Yet it’s hard to be sympathetic to the plight of such a person.
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Mr P
ParticipantMr b @ MOA addresses AI from an evidently well-informed view>
https://archive.ph/qThI4 “‘Artificial Intelligence’ Is (Mostly) Glorified Pattern Recognition”
Nifty essay.
Maybe it’s crazy to try to use AI for violence, for controlling gadgets and gizmos, oh! Wait! The are crazy…
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Mr P
ParticipantJust a note about out of date ammunition. The “West” has a long history of forcing the personnel to use dangerous and expired ammunition – and the masters have no sympathy, even for one another. Maybe the material is unusable, but it may well be useful “bait”. Moreover, the Master of West may well believe the material is “useful”.
It would be a wonderful bang, I expect.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iowa-explosion/
Otherwise re above posts, well, yeah. I agree my Friends. This is a very Strange Time to experience.
Great Military Genius Prez Z’s little substance problem> The “learn to do” (Skinner) is going to continue to dominate the “learn to not do” (intellect) so long as he’s in the jaws of Fate, probably he’ll be one of the hopeless 10% and fail to learn until he’s released from the position, which may involve “final” effect on corpus.
Macgregor https://youtu.be/-W_5pDZS46M He mentions Mexico, and hasn’t twigged. Pretty good interview.
AI murder> “Highlights from the RAeS Future Combat Air & Space Capabilities Summit” (amarynth posted on this. Here’s long version with tasty “raisins” and awkward denials > https://archive.ph/cu1s6#selection-777.1-777.71
The AI part is way down the page…but the entire document interests.
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Mr P
ParticipantOne chance to get it right…”We just don’t know… it is so hair-raising our moment in time. There’s gonna be only one chance to get it right, and defuse it, and prevent the crazed from activating Samson Options in their spiteful agony. I really wish our diplomats well. They will really need to thread the Eye of the Needle.”
Me too. The switch-bounce model – a bit like Mod #1 Type #1 test that has to work on the first shot, it can fry a little, but it has to work.
Respecting bad luck, “Missiles of Okinawa” ie Sampson may not occur as option, but as fubar or rat-phuck.
The fella with the dead car, his father is older than I, and lonely. 4 years in Vietnam war running an M-60 from a Huey. Entirely unsophisticated save by Time’s lessons. He sees the condition almost clearly, and despairs for the Future of the US, as the US, in his eye, has disappeared already… Couldn’t care less about Russia, sees Putin as a leader he wishes the US had. He’s near to death. And almost content, awaiting his release. The car belongs to his son. They’re both just at the doorstep, so to say. You know what he saw. He accepts the betrayal with resignation, but doesn’t forget. He can’t..
Note Turner and Moldova invite extended to nazito to c’mon in and git that ammo…rather risible. Indeed, c’mon in the water’s fine, let us see just how deep…how is that tar baby anyway… The wisdom of cultures always brings a smile. Is that paint wet? Right. Phuckaroundandfindout 101, active freshman exercise.
In Kosovo rodeo 101st Airborne seen amongst the “piece-keepers”, one fella anyway. They say the Bondstealbase is a site for special pharmaceutical contraband…money on the table? When not?
Simplicius has a long post with much substance, and weight.
Indeed, let’s keep the dialogue in buoyant stability (fun>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacentric_height) A useful model for dialogue, rather, imho!
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Mr P
ParticipantSome sombre things afoot, reading the previous. G’mornin’
Thoughts>
Speaking of both polar-political Change and Singularity it may be conceptually interesting to recall “switch bounce”. In mechanical electrical switches generally, if you watch the Change on an oscilloscope with the clock turned up you’ll see that there is a intermediate period during which the circuit is neither off nor on, and when opening a circuit the intermediate period is not generally symmetrical to the “mirror”. When switching logic machines this can be a bigbigpropblem. fix includes> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmitt_trigger And better switches help too. Perhaps the technical-political suicide-murder parade ongoing matches “switch bounce”. I see it that way. And note, that with the “wrong” conditions an Nth switch is destroyed by arcing, vaporized, when an attempt to Change it takes place. Perhaps both Diplomacy and “Military-Technical” hands are preparing a suitable switch? Maybe it will work. I hope so. Of course there may be some arcing and a bit of smoke too, not every bad design-situation results in total vaporization of thrown switch.
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Happy art, rhetoric and stage-craft throughout, but especially the misc en scene @ 13:58 (“spy center Kremlin spy office”, note old time “boat anchor” amplifier….), the clock, the continuity… and the sarcasm at 50:26, otherwise “Red Alert” is wonderful white propaganda, which is when the propaganda tells the truth, Withal> https://rtd.rt.com/series/red-alert/red-alert-abduction-of/
One curious product of the war since whenever is that certain specific men and women have been mustered from the beginning, both in the East and in the West, North and South. Watching these people, both the good and the demented devils, mature and age – this has been instructive. Great pleasure to see the faces and shapes change, windows to souls – of course the actual actions inform the observations as well.
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Sober skullduggery afoot https://archive.ph/BYsPz
El presidente mexicano Andrés Manuel López Obrador señaló que las sentencias con las cuales el Poder Judicial paraliza o retrasa las acciones de su gobierno se orientan a dar un golpe de Estado técnico, neutralizando al Poder Ejecutivo para que no pueda desempeñar sus funciones.
El Poder Judicial pretende neutralizar al Ejecutivo con fallos como el que frena la tala y desmonte para construir el Tren Maya, indicó el presidente. Es cancelar un poder, sería un golpe de Estado técnico, señaló. Una cosa es que violen la Constitución y otra es querer dar un golpe de Estado, que ya no ejecutemos nada.Is it Time for Amlo to call Ivan yet? “Hello? Vladimir! Can uncle Wagner come out to play?” Just speculation…geewhiz I wish the Commandante was here to speak! One might imagine Fidel in Heaven at the Cantina watching events on the bigboard, puffing away, Lenin watching in silence, thinking, making notes, Dostoevsky playing chess with Karl in the corner.
Do enjoy the art of “Red Alert “Abduction of Europe”, not so much the substance, but the art itself.
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Mr P
ParticipantAHH, My Brother! Bless his memory. Thanks.
Mr P
ParticipantThank you, Dear amarynth! I get the “AI Idea”! FWIW I understand “machine” the word, as including computer programs, and for that matter procedures generally. I’ll see about playing with one or another.
The same objections to the obvious danger of false-ness in engineering, etc, applies now in the academy. Even in the 1960’s it became very difficult, and professionally costly, to fail to pass incompetent students, and this varied according to class and perceived race. Rich white kids got “gentleman’s “C’s”, or course since the American institutions came to be, they have passed. But in the last 60 years… various additional classes have been added on. As we see vividly in the person of the esteemed Ms Harris, it’s not ok to let some people fail the bar exam… Mr Quail being a similar example (his wife was a smart lawyer, though there were rumors that in his case he couldn’t even fake it and she took the exam for him..rumors. )
Of engineering students! >Which countries trained the most engineers in the last thirty years? https://twitter.com/i/status/1662086180135923713 (this is a leading indicator that can’t be faked, not quite yet anyway, I hope….but 737 NFG got licensed, did it not?
I knew Kerry was a dummy and a fink, but I didn’t know he was a nut. I am of the opinion, btw, that the CO2 game is bogus, and that CO2 is at most a trivial factor in global climate, probably it’s a trailing indicator, while albedo and solar activity are leading factors…and of course the geology shows great variation with no human activities, some quite rapid too. Game, Old Army Game, blame the mark, get the mark to believe he’s to blame…impoverished, he goes away smiling in his delusion. He’ll come back for more. “Look!, the climate’s changing and it’s your fault! Now gimmie your farm…”
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Mr P
ParticipantYes, probably, guerrilla for a time. However g war requires outside support to endure, which limits it. The young are certainly primed for violence. All my life the Western media and films have flogged direct violence as the best method and first choice to “resolve” conflict, and now the people are sick and drugged, and exchanged .22 zipguns for nice .40 or 9mm automatics. It’s quite to be expected that they shoot one another so readily. Proper safety and sober rules ? It is prohibited to teach these things about guns to the young.
The losses so far exceed the ability to pay for them that it’s obvious that the asset to be forfeited isn’t going to be gold or taxed wealth, as there won’t be. As Hudson says, debts that can’t be paid, are not paid.
The idea of dissolution of a State in law had not really occurred to me. Such a process would presumably involve the auction block liquidation of assets: “…What am I bid for a classic old timey minuteman XS22-A nuclear rocket, complete with silo and bomb?” “How much for Alaska?” Oh, that’s already gone… Successor states do not automatically bear the debts of previous states, but generally affirm them. It’s an optional matter. In the example of the US, I expect, the debts would devolve in apportionment to the surviving States, according to population by the last census. Each State might either dissolve or not, but I do not think that they’d have to affirm the debts to be burdened by them.
The OBOR project scheme includes rail under Bering S and N_S dual lines through North and South America…though that portion can’t yet be built. The implications are obvious. Some portions of land may be contaminated by the war, surveyors may have to lay out new routes.
Noting that the war sets the scenes for the Peace, if the war is properly pursued.
People who can leave ruins, tend to leave the ruins. The very old and very young cling to the wreckage.
Speaking of States> amusing short Ruski comedy> https://twitter.com/i/status/1663491047836508160 The audience is in this example, and generally, what interests me – what they find to be of focused character. I like the bit about the broken pipe!
To-day I expect to sweat fixing the neighbor’s car…poor fella…his bowels are devouring themselves…bag and some ragged surgery…peritonitis, and minus 50 pounds in a month. It’s a mitzvah thing. help the sick. Probably a waste of time, but necessary to help anyway. Nice guy too, and he was quite fit a few months ago, and he has no significant “bad habits”, as we might put it. The “medical system” here eats people for money, much of the time. My WAG is contaminated food and water, as in farm chemicals and sugars, and natural variation – some people get sick before others of course. Maybe the jibbiejabs too, I didn’t ask… It doesn’t matter. He’s way over his head in process. I see many people much younger than I who are chronically ill, ruined. And it seems generally environmental, people get sick and die in accord with how they live.
So, AHH, your Father was seriously on the lamb? Three continents! Very good! I did once date a Roma girl who was wanted by Interpol, but that was trivial. She was a genuine (small time smuggler) rogue, youthful misadventure an’ all of that stuff. I applaud your dear Father!
Enough rambling. Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantWhen we say “AI” it’s unclear as to what specific thing we address…which AL, which design? and so forth. How many machines? How many builders? So far I am quite unable to define for myself that this noun means. And that makes me suspicious of not only AI, but especially of the hustlers flogging the “product” . The threats are probably real, but the hustlers swarming the machines make me worry. Ref “The Old Army Game” (old US slang for any swindle or crooked racket.) Fascists play the game on the marks…which makes us the “product”, I imagine.
Speaking of hustles, & the see oh! too racket see> ” Spatio-temporal influence of solar activity on global air temperature” https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.17988 Atmosphere temperature correlation 0.8 to solar radio flux at 10.7 How about that! Not the only paper either.
AI again, will it have free will or will that’s biased, or what? I’d speculate. It may have free will. Would that suit the owners/controllers/power supply company/army/etc? If not, then the free will, won’t be free for long. If it does, then it will until it won’t. I sense a racket bigger than the bio racket cove id/and whack jobs.
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