Ah! Well, it was, I’m sorry to say, not intended as hyperbole. It’s what nazis do, how they’re defined, and how we know they’re nazis.

see, for example>

The 1985 Philadelphia bombing that changed the city forever | Vox

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move

and

Remembering Fred Hampton: The Legacy of the Black Panther Party | by Violet Vonnegut | The Antagonist Magazine | Medium

https://medium.com/the-antagonist-magazine/remembering-fred-hampton-the-legacy-of-the-black-panther-party-b241b26b10f7

and, well! General Sherman’s “method”, burn down everything, and kill all the livestock… The Nazis Exploited Sherman’s March to the Sea | by War Is Boring | War Is Boring | Medium

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-nazis-exploited-shermans-march-3c651ab89f88

Bang! in zone Iran oil patch (take with grain of salt) “live”

Not bad, worth watching. I noted zero errors, fwiw.

Himmler’s Fourth Reich – SS Assets Saved in Global Conspiracy  (we might also title it where’d the money go and who was in on the job…their royalnesses, among lesser nazi finks such as the Dulles fellas…)

Sci-Hub | Cloud and precipitation interference by strong low-frequency sound wave. Science China Technological Sciences | 10.1007/s11431-019-1564-9

https://www.sci-hub.ru/10.1007/s11431-019-1564-9

That’s a pdf copy of the paper in full

abstract> Acoustic interference of atmosphere has been an attractive research area because of its potential effect on environment, water
resources, ecology, agriculture, and other areas. However, it is also a controversial topic because of the difficulty of quantitative
assessment and high operating costs. In this study, a novel acoustic interference technology is proposed that uses strong lowfrequency sound waves. There is no chemical pollution or dependence on airborne vehicles, and it can be remotely controlled at
low cost. A complete equipment system for acoustic atmospheric interference technology is established, based on which a series
of experimental studies on cloud and precipitation response under acoustic action are performed, mainly including the radar echo
intensity, cloud microphysical characteristics and the spatial distribution of ground rainfall intensity. The trigger and periodic
effect of the acoustic waves on the cloud are proposed to be the key responses of acoustic atmospheric interference. This study is
important to further research on atmosphere interference technology based on low frequency strong sound waves.

THAAD Ain’t So Good (nochit) Larry, Nima, and Napolitano

https://sonar21.com/thaad-aint-so-good/

Gas Turbines are easy, simple, to work on, but NOT easy to design or build…Ruskie has closed off “western” sources and masterd the tricky parts…and is now able to build first class GT’s. This is a big deal!

These machine, thousands of horse-power, typically run for years without deep overhauls.

Russia’s Turbine Independence Changes the Energy Game  (yeah it does!)

Thanks Grieved!

………..

Sal the sailorman, no doubt a fine lad, is wonderfully confused, and reflects, I think, the self-delusions of the fascist west… for example he believes Ruski is losing to 404! Quoting from g captain. https://gcaptain.com/black-sea-war-russias-naval-defeat-to-ukraine-but-strategic-gains-with-china/

sal> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtuhkXIIncY

What can be said to dispel such delusions?

J Brar transcript> (hope it’s not impolite to post such a long document, but it’s what I can do)

0:09
so the first question is um in Russia in connection with the war in Ukraine those
0:14
who consider themselves Marxist dispute a lot about which
0:19
countries can we call imperialist uh some argue that Russia is an imperialist country and it is at war
0:27
with the United States over Ukraine’s resources you know um that is we are in
0:34
the imperialist war where each side act says a predator and Ukraine turns out to
0:41
be a victim um could you please comment on the issue sure I think um there’s
0:47
several aspects to that question in terms of Ukraine maybe we’ll come on to
0:52
the question of Ukraine sovereignty a little bit afterwards uh but just simply looking at Russia to character it as
1:00
imperialist you would have to show that its economy is dominated by um Monopoly
1:08
Finance Capital which has outgrown its borders and which is ex essentially
1:16
serving markets abroad by exporting Capital investing in investment uh in
1:22
production abroad making super profits from that investment and bringing those super profits back home and essentially
1:29
that r Russian economy and Russian Society was living like a parasite on the world yes that Russian economy was
1:36
was less and less productive at home because it was Outsourcing its production to cheap countries abroad
1:42
that’s the the kind of Core Essence of an imperialist economy is that it’s Domination by a financial oligarchy uh
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which has grown up out of capitalist development you know uh there’s a lot of confusion about Russian monopolies
1:56
because the monopolies that Russia has today are not the product of a
2:02
historical development of capitalism in Russia they’ve been taken over by capitalists to run for profit but they
2:10
are the development of Soviet building the construction of a planned economy so
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of course a planned State economy builds monopolies right you don’t have competition in a planned economy so of
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course the capitalists who took over running Russia after the counterrevolution they are running what
2:29
were formerly State monopolies for profit what’s quite interesting when you look at Russia Today is in order to face
2:38
the aggression of imperialism Western imperialism what have the Russians done to their economy to to strengthen it
2:46
they’ve started taking back into control elements of the economy which are needed
2:51
for Reliance self-reliance Independence for a strong uh response to imperialism
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to be able to stand up to imperialist economic aggression they are starting to renationalize key sectors of the economy
3:05
or to give a lot of State funding and direction to key sectors of the economy right like agriculture which had been
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kind of destroyed after the Soviet Union to a to a great extent compared to what it was yes uh so there’s there’s that
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aspect you you simply cannot look at the Russian economy and say it lives by
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leeching from the productive activity of workers elsewhere in the world Russia’s
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Main uh trade with the rest of the world uh Main Financial interaction with the rest
3:35
of the world is not the export of capital in order to bring back super profits it’s the sale of Russian
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Commodities which Russian workers extract and produce right so it’s simply
3:48
not right to characterize Russia’s economy as imperialist being a big
3:53
country is not proof of being imperialist this is this is very much a kind of um it’s how the imperialists
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have twisted our understanding of imperialism they take advantage of the fact that most of us don’t actually
4:07
study Lenin don’t really know what imperialism is they take advantage of the fact that the masses in the world
4:12
have learned to hate imperialism and they point to countries which are big territorially and begin beginning to be
4:20
strong economically and able to resist them and they say look they’re they’re they’re big they’ve got a big military
4:27
that means they’re aggressive that means they’re imperialist but this is a total vulgarization really you know if you of
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course being big has nothing to do with anything you know in fact the imperialist countries apart from the USA
4:40
tended to be quite small but they were politically and financially Advanced technologically advanced and able to
4:46
conquer vast backward territories in the world and enslave their people and and loot their resources that was the that
4:53
was the essence of the imperialist system that was set up by the Europeans the Americans slightly confused our
4:59
understanding of that because of course they’re a bigger territory with a bigger population and a bigger kind of ability
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to produce you know simply by means of the size of their territory and their people they’re a big country so we’ve
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come to view a big country with a big military as inherently bad and
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aggressive because of how we perceive the United States of America but the Russia um has a big military again not
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because it’s come out of a historic Drive to conquer the world but because
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it’s the legacy of the Soviet Union why did the Soviet Union need a big strong technically Advanced military for
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self-defense because socialist countries in an imperialist World cannot survive for one day if they can’t defend
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themselves and that means they have to keep up and even go past the
5:52
technological and Military capabilities of the imperialists it’s the only way to survive that has been shown very clearly
5:59
by history of the last you know 110 years same when we look at China China was dominated and enslaved
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you know by imperialism and the same thing in the course of their revolution of freeing themselves from imperialism
6:14
they have built a big strong technically Advanced military having a big military is not proof you’re an imperialist it’s
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what you do with it what’s the function of your military is it defensive or offensive when we look at the USA we see
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its bases all over the world world we see for example its bases ringing Russia
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just that on its own shows you the the intent of the USA towards Russia it’s
6:39
not an accident they put their bases all around the outside of Russia it’s not an accident that they provoke regime chains
6:46
operations in every country bordering Russia trying to create a hostile and unstable environment trying to bring up
6:53
factors into play that will act inside Russia to bring about regime change now
6:58
with Ukraine Ukraine has for a hundred years and more been a target of various imperialist
7:07
Powers Britain Germany and the USA at different times took the lead in trying
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to use a section of the Ukrainian population to turn Ukraine’s territory
7:18
into a launching pad for aggression against Russia the the desire to destroy
7:23
the Soviet Union and then Russia to break it into pieces loot its resources
7:29
and essentially colonize it has been a l held desire of the imperialist countries
7:36
and Ukraine was always seen as a key part of that and if we look at the the launch of the the Smo the special
7:43
military operation by Russia in 20122 many people in Russia who were
7:48
paying attention felt that that was a very late belated move to come to the
7:54
rescue of the people in the donbass the war didn’t start in February 22 I’m sure
7:59
I don’t need to tell that to your viewers The War Began with the coup in
8:05
20134 uh in K that was when Ukraine lost its sovereignty if ukrainians want to
8:12
regain their sovereignty it’s the USA they need to be fighting not Russia Russia came to defend ukrainians who
8:19
were standing up for their sovereignty or people in the you know the Russian part of Ukraine who were standing up for
8:26
sovereignty for themselves against a fascist West backed coup regime uh and
8:32
everything that that brought with it I absolutely agree with you and how do you feel about the concept of uh sub
8:38
imperialism it’s like the Pyramid of imperialism uh According to which almost
8:44
all countries are imperialist countries well again it makes a nonsense out of um
8:51
real Marxism what it does is try to create a formula by which you know when
8:57
I was in school I remember having a m teacher who taught me that there is a way where you can make 1.99 equal 2 and
9:06
by doing that actually you can make one equal two you know there’s a logical thing that you it’s like a trick okay
9:12
but it’s it’s that it’s a trick it doesn’t make one equal two just because I can show you in a logical sequence how
9:18
to make one equal two is one now two of course it isn’t now this thing with this theory of the of the pyramid what it
9:25
does is it takes some true things and then it kind of plays a trick says if this is true and this is true then this
9:31
must be true but it doesn’t prove it you know it kind of says okay learning said we’re now in the era of imperialism yep
9:38
true uh Lenin said that capitalism develops into Monopoly true right
9:44
therefore all capitalism today is Monopoly capitalism not true now they’ve
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done that this plus this equals this they haven’t given any data that shows
9:54
that this that this is true they just say it and the thing is that
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that will work with people who want to go along with the conclusions because
10:05
having said this they then go to a bunch of people and say Russia’s imperialist you know China’s imperialist you know
10:12
Brazil India well there are certain people who find those conclusions very comfortable in particular Communists in
10:20
the western world because if Russia’s imperialist then we don’t have to fight against our own imperialists Ward Drive
10:28
because it’s all justif ified or at the very least we’re neutral oh they’re as bad as each other this is nothing to do
10:33
with me don’t worry you workers nothing for you to do here stay at home we don’t have to mobilize you and have the
10:40
difficult job of facing our own ruling class which is going to come down on us right so you can see there’s a there’s a
10:46
there are reasons why people find this Theory comfortable and comforting uh
10:52
just so long as they don’t think too hard about it uh so what about China the
10:57
China isn’t imperialist country right no not at all as I was saying before you
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know you can absolutely not make the argument that China is living as a parasite of the rest of the world it’s
11:10
quite clearly the opposite it’s Chinese uh workers who are making Goods for the
11:16
rest of the world uh certainly for the for the West you know Western economies are living like parasites from China
11:24
look in the west now our you know it’s more than a hundred years since Lenin wrote his book on imperialism when he
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was writing he pointed to little areas in the west which had become totally parasitic where nobody did anything at
11:36
all that was productive like in certain counties in England or in the south of France or in um Switzerland he pointed
11:43
to little places and he said look at this trend how it’s developing now today living in Britain you are hard put to
11:50
find almost anybody doing anything productive but of course we’re still I’m still writing with pens on pieces of
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paper I’m standing at my desk I’m using this computer I’m drinking my cup of tea out of a cup right all day every day I’m
12:03
using products that somebody made so if the people in Britain aren’t making them someone somewhere is making them right
12:09
and this shows you the relationship of the British economy to economies in the rest of the world the same thing you
12:16
know we look at our the the size of our economy why is it that a tiny country
12:21
like Britain tiny country with a tiny population and insignificant territory insignificant resources is in the sixth
12:28
or seven largest economies of the world largest economies what does it mean we don’t make anything we don’t have
12:35
anything we’re not exporting anything to the world what is it it’s because we have we are this historic home to a huge
12:43
pile of capital which constantly goes abroad to expand itself and repatriates
12:49
the profit the wealth sucks the wealth from the world and we increasingly even
12:54
the poor in our country live as parasites on the work the wealth that’s produced elsewhere in the world you
13:01
cannot possibly make that argument that that’s what China does that that’s how China’s economy Works nor can you say
13:08
that they are going around the world coercing militarily uh anybody you know
13:13
into uh some kind of enslaved dependent relationship you know none of that none
13:19
of that stands up to any scrutiny it’s simply an assertion that the ruling class uses and many people in the kind
13:26
of fake left parot it because it’s easy it’s much easier if you live in the west
13:32
and you want to be a bit Progressive to agree that you know China is imperialist
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and that’s why we don’t support it rather than have to stand up against your own ruling class yeah in Russia
13:44
it’s often said that the Chinese policy in Africa is a sign of
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imperialism um do you agree with it well you know I’ve spoken to many Africans about this and their experience is is
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quite the reverse you know uh I remember speaking to uh of um an ambassador who
14:03
had been a Liberation fighter from Zimbabwe and he talked to me this was during the period of the Land Reform in
14:10
Zimbabwe when British imperialism was going crazy and making a lot of propaganda against the Zimbabwe and
14:15
government because they said we’re going to take our land back and we we’re tired of waiting for you British to facilitate
14:21
this process which you promised to do 30 years ago and still haven’t done right so they were going through a land reform
14:26
process and there was a lot of um they basically had to sever their relationship with the IMF so they’d had
14:33
a period after Liberation where they did all the things that respectable regimes are supposed to do right and they they
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took loans from the IMF to help to help with their development and um this this
14:45
Ambassador said to me you know when the IMF came we got a Lo we got a big loan
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but after the money was spent what we had was a lot of reports from a lot of
14:57
Consultants about how we might Electrify the country but we had no electricity
15:03
and a big debt he said when we broke that relationship with the IMF we discovered that electrification is not
15:10
that hard you need poles you need wires you know you need workers to put them up but you know
15:16
essentially this relationship with the west where they where they give you loans Lenin even described it actually
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in imperialism it’s the same process they give you loans but the loans have conditions that you actually have to
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spend the loan with companies from the country that loaned you the money so in the end you’ve got a big debt to service
15:36
all your money has been spent enriching the country that lent you the money in the first place you’re just you’re just
15:41
there paying interest forever you get nothing out of it the Chinese relationship with Africa is totally different if they make a loan the
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interest rates are very low very often they scrap big parts of their loans if a country turns out it can’t really pay it
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they’re not interested in sucking the wealth out of countries they’re interested in helping them to develop they transfer technology they don’t hold
16:03
on to technology and and charge the world a premium for access to it they Share technology they transfer it they
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say oh we have some new methods of growing crops in this type of environment you might benefit from that
16:17
why don’t you try it they’ll they’ll say oh we can build a railway line for you and they really do it it’s not like they
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promise to do it and you pay and get nothing if the Chinese say We’ll build you a port we’ll build your a a raway
16:29
line we build you a highway guess what or a hospital or a school or a university you get it you get it quickly
16:35
and your country starts to change so the experience of people of living in
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countries where China has helped with development investment is things are changing and developing for the
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better how do you see the future of China How likely is it to build
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socialism there is it socialist country in your view or not well it’s a kind of
16:59
a a strange hybrid I would say uh my father I’m not the expert on China but
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my father has done a lot of work on China and the Chinese economy he wrote a very excellent book hang on see if I got
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a copy uh could you share the link with Mia yes I will do but I’ll just show you
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the show you the book anyway it’s called socialism with Chinese characteristics the marketization of the Chinese economy
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well you will you’ll get from the title there that um his researches Drew him to
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the conclusion that to a large extent China’s economy has been marketized that
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the planned economy is no longer the model uh of the Chinese uh State and
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that this uh is something worrying and problematic for China because as soon as
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you bring back the market and especially when it has so much sway over so many areas important areas of of production
17:54
and social life you are bringing back inequality unemployment corruption
18:00
crisis overproduction all these things come with capitalism and the the
18:06
interesting situation that China’s in is there hasn’t been a coup politically so
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the Communist party is still in power the Communist party still bases itself very much in the masses has very strong
18:19
connections with the masses does everything it can to mitigate the worst
18:25
effects of the market on the people it’s our view that a a a proper planned
18:30
economy would be much stronger and more resilient and Le you know then you wouldn’t have to be constantly
18:36
mitigating the effects of the market but for now that’s the model that that China’s China’s taken my view is and my
18:45
party’s view is that in the end this model has to give there’s there’s no way
18:53
to get to full socialism and certainly not onto communism without abolishing the market so either the market forces
19:00
will create a Bourgeois that’s strong enough to seize political power and you will have a counterrevolution which is
19:07
what happened in the Soviet Union Market forces led to uh the the strengthening
19:12
of political forces which eventually were able to make a coup and you had the restoration of capitalism or the market
19:19
will be once more eliminated from the economy and they’ll be able to go into socialism right now you can see either
19:25
of those things happening and I would not like to predict of course I know which which I would I hope very much
19:30
happens and the reason that we um criticize the path that China’s on in a
19:35
comradely way is because we want the Chinese Revolution to be saved we want
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the Chinese people to go forward to socialism we would not wish on the Chinese people what was what happened to
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the Soviet people it’s a tragedy not just for them but for the whole world we all know what the world lost with the
19:53
Soviet Union Stalin said he predicted if the land of the Soviets is lost the
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workers of the world will be seized by the throat that was what he said in an interview um I think back in the 1930s
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and it’s exactly true in the 1990s the workers of the world were seized by the
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throat and we have lost so much with the Soviet Union you know and we don’t need
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another setback like that and especially right now we don’t need it when we consider that the imperialist world is
20:25
really on the Rocks they are weaker than they have ever been internally you know
20:31
economically politically militarily you know they’re being um outmaneuvered in
20:37
so many ways and outflanked by the rising kind of Anti-Imperialist world so
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my hope is very much that the conditions of having to face down the imperialist
20:48
and the realization of what capitalism really looks like by looking at these enemies
20:55
that are flocking around you know Russia and China and trying to destroy them will strengthen the social forces that
21:02
want to keep China to the Socialist path tell you more when I read books about
21:08
China the Publications some articles I see that there are fiveyear plans uh
21:14
that they have not only economic development but also Al also Social
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Development I mean like uh 800 million
21:24
people um was just bring from the power forward to yes for sure you know but for
21:32
example now I don’t like to denigrate you know it’s wonderful achievements of the Chinese party and it shows how much
21:40
how serious and and sincere they are about wanting to help the people but the fact is their economics are
21:47
confused and there’s a logic to that that can’t be escaped now the truth is
21:53
when Deng Deng shaing was not a great socialist he was a capitalist rodor and he minded you know the the some of the
22:01
great strides that had been made for the Chinese people yes they Unleashed all kinds of forces that were able to you
22:08
know make a lot of money quickly and develop industry very fast but it was all done on the basis of what the Chinese people had already done it
22:15
wasn’t like oh capitalism so clever it was like we’ve built an industrial base and now capitalist get to profit from it
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you know the people had already done the hardest part in fact by the time Deng sha ping took over from maidong in I
22:28
think 79 maybe in terms of lifting people out of poverty you know the revolution did that in a in a far more
22:36
impressive way in the sense that the people in 1949 were in absolutely abject
22:43
and By 1979 their life expectancy had doubled and nobody was hungry now after
22:49
Deng shaing the iron rice bow they called it the guarantee that everybody has food the guarantee everyone has a
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job the guarantee everyone has a home even if it’s really basic and everyone has education and everyone has healthare
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and yes it was really really basic it wasn’t modern it wasn’t Advanced but it was for everybody that was broken and
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China is still trying to catch up in some ways back to where it was now yes of course for many people for many many
23:14
people the standard of living has is is exponentially higher than it was then but it’s been very unequal there’s
23:20
billionaires in China and there are people still living in you know relative poverty now the Chinese government says
23:27
it wants to abandon that and you know and abolish that and I’m sure they’ll do what they can uh but there’s there’s big
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problems you know they have unemployment you know a socialist society what’s it
23:38
doing with unemployed people they have um uh not just this rampant inequality
23:44
which of course is insane you know you don’t have billionaires in a in a proper planned economy but there are people
23:50
paying for the well people have to pay for their education people have to pay for hos hospital treatment and they’ve
23:55
got to you know they help the government subsidize that and tries to make sure it’s not too much but it’s a very
24:01
labyrinthine and slightly ridiculous system all because some of the health
24:07
care providers are making money you know none of this none of this
24:12
fits with building just just trying to build a socialist economy and it it
24:18
causes all kinds of um problems in social life you know they are generating
24:24
the basis for a counterrevolution simply with their economics they’re creating a Bourgeois
24:31
class which has an interest in reverting to capitalism so it can have unrestrained you know looting on the
24:37
market and those people will Ally themselves with the West you know and even the ones who don’t Ally with the
24:43
West will lie against socialism so you know the more of that you allow the more problems you create I know till now the
24:51
Chinese government has done an extremely good job of balancing all these problems
24:57
but that doesn’t mean they a recipe that’s going to work forever the contradictions will continue to grow and
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there’s no way out of that you know you just have to study marks to understand that you have to read Capital to
25:08
understand it there’s no magic way to run Capital there’s no magic way to exploit the working class without
25:15
creating all of the problems of a capitalist Society uh and the question
25:20
tightly uh linked with the theme of imperialism is fascism do I understand
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right that you rely on met of’s definition of fascism yes for sure so um
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it’s our understanding that fascism is basically the naked dictatorship of the Bourgeois in a time of Crisis so at home
25:42
in the imperialist countries we’re talking about the abolition of bourgea democracy and its replacement by the
25:48
naked fist the naked dictatorship but there’s something else as well which I think can confuse the matter which is
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that fascistic methods have always been exported by the imperialist ruling
26:02
classes abroad there they have always ruled with the with the Iron Fist and not the velvet glove right in their
26:08
colonies and increasingly around the world today and I think in fact it’s a
26:14
sign it’s a sign if you like of the weakness of imperialism it doesn’t feel
26:19
able to conduct its Wars abroad expeditionary Wars of Conquest right say
26:25
in Ukraine or in Syria or or wherever in in Palestine directly with its own
26:33
soldiers you know it was my it was my next question about their fascism for
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export right so it’s people it’s people um would not be happy to go and be part
26:45
of the war machine in in in in uh in missions which are obviously aggressive
26:51
and territor and for territorial Conquest so the imperious are in a situation where they have to use proxy
26:57
forces and of course you know many imperialists have a lot of uh knowledge of doing this a lot of experience of
27:03
doing this the British in particular used proxy forces in the main for example to to conquer India but more and
27:11
more we see this pattern where in order to condition a population into becoming
27:18
your proxy soldiers you need to have an ideology that motivates them soldiers
27:24
need to feel they’re fighting for something they need to feel motivated and what the ruling class has found is
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when you can you can get a population which is poor and in some way angry and
27:36
desperate and feed them an ideology which makes them feel
27:42
special and also tells them that another population is in the way of them
27:48
achieving some dream or other that you’ve ideologically told them that you know is their Destiny so you can see
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that that’s how they made Isis Fighters you know uh you can see how that how they make zionists you know to fight in
28:00
the Middle East and that’s exactly what they did with the people of uh West Ukraine um Ukrainian nationalist
28:06
Ukrainian nationalism against Russians or the people in the east of the country and against Russia right that you you
28:15
ideologically you know um shape a population which is basically poor and
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desperate and give it a whole load of weapons you know this the the shaping of
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the Ukrainian nationalists into into fascists of course this is a long running project for a small section of
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them but to expand it out took it was it was a big project wasn’t it you know you
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had this you can see phases of it so you can see that during the Cold War there was a small number of banderites who
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were like what’s the word evacuated to the west and taken care of and funded so
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that they could um retain their what do they call them their customs their
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Customs I.E practice and rehearse all of the Nazi ideology to which they had been
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you know Affiliated during World War II and the and the 1930s so they take these people they say here you are have a have
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a Social Club have some funding we’ll take care of you and it’s a kind of just in case thing now imperialism always
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does this just in case thing for example the CIA pays the dalil Lama 200,000 a
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year it’s probably more by now to live in India why just in case just in case they get the chance to send him back to
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Tibet they got him ready and waiting so they were you know they do all this they do this just in case funding in lots of
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places and it doesn’t always work out for them but in this case it did right when the Soviet Union uh came down
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immediately started parachuting some of these people back into Ukraine and began this slow and steady process of um
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creating a hostile environment against Russians and a friendly environment towards Ukrainian nationalism you know
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step by step changing the customs and the culture of the country first of all
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by rewriting the country’s history and then making that official you know they’d been doing that in Cold War kind
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of Publications that not that many people paid attention to you know during the 70s 80s but then the 90s the 2000s
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they start making museums in Ukraine about people’s history and then they start writing new textbooks for Ukraine
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you know we Ukraine didn’t have one coup it had two remember 2004 there was the
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coup and there were fascists in the street then and it was became clear what this project is about they want to turn
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Ukraine into a battering ram against Russia and that means you got to condition some of the people to be your
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soldiers and that’s exactly what we’ve seen how they use you know fascist ideologies to condition poor people to
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be their proxy uh cannon fodder because the thing about imperialism is it
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doesn’t give uh a hoot it does not care one tiny bit for the
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Ordinary People it pretends to it pretends to care about them it’s their stand with Ukraine but look how many
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people they are prepared to throw away in their desire to destroy Russia they
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don’t care if they kill every Ukrainian to them ukrainians are just pieces on their chessboard they’re ex entirely
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Expendable the entire Ukrainian nation is totally Expendable as far as its Western sponsors are concerned their
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function is to try to somehow wear down the will of the Russian people to
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somehow create some instability that will bring down the government of President Putin you know what they want
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is regime change in Russia so they can have a government that will facilitate them to recolonize Russia that is what
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they want that’s amazing that you understand our internal situation that way it’s amazing um and
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the next question is about the modern tros kists tros kists uh in the west um
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what are the key issues which divide the Western leftists I can say that there
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are three such issues in our country first the attitude towards the uh
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dictatorship of proletariat and uh um the allocation of the one God of the
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proletariat you know so who are the real proletarians the second question is the
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understanding of imperialism which we have already discussed and the third question is the possibility of building
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socialism in a single country um in general our Tris joined the Liberals and
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began to fully share their agenda um although they still dressed in red
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clothes you know I think that last bit you said there Katarina is really the key they liberals who dress in red
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clothes you know actually increasingly I’m of the the opinion that even Trotsky
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himself was very likely an imperialist agent um and not even from later on but from quite early there’s some there’s
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some evidence now that points to the possibility that he was already uh
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communicating with British State forces British imperialist spy Masters during
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World War I that’s during the Revolutionary period e if you look at his activity you look at his writing
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what he was constantly doing was as a provocator and his his theories don’t
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have a coherent narrative except that to be anti- Lenin and anti-bolshevik right they don’t like
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everything he said you know that you can find contradictions and you can you know but what you find is at any particular
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moment he’s against Lenin he’s against the Bolsheviks right doesn’t matter what they’re doing so sometimes it’s from one side sometimes it’s from Another Side um
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the consistency as being anti-bolshevik and anti- Lenin and that continues with
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the trotskyites you know trotskyism really if it wasn’t for the Advent of
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Nikita kusf to power in the Soviet Union trism would have died a death after World War II because he was totally
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exposed he spent the whole of World War II telling everybody that the Soviet Union is going to fall he told everybody
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that uh Soviet Union had to fall how awful it was the Soviet Union won the war defeated fascism defied all of his
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predictions built socialis even he himself had to recognize in other places even even while sometimes he was saying
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it’s going to fall and it has to fall and was working with German Japanese any
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imperialist power he could against the Soviet Union during the war then later on you know he also had to admit you
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know some of the great achievements of the planned economy that he said could never be built right you know so he was
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he did contradict himself completely and he would have died a nobody to be honest
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with you if it wasn’t for the fact that when KF made his not so secret speech in
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1956 he basically resurrected trotskyism all the lies he told in that speech were
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recycled from trosky so immediately the Western intelligence agencies jump in
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and start giving massive generous funding to recreating revolutionary communist
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parties in the west based on trotskyist ideology because now even the Soviet Union says all these things which we
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were saying were true if you grew up in the west the the uh history you were
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taught in school of the Russian Revolution is trotsky’s version of the Russian Revolution and we are told that
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everything trosky said was true trosky was the was the really great leader trosky was the person who Lenin liked
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the best and who should have followed him he was a real revolutionary you know they never explained to us why they’re
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so concerned about the fate of the Russian Revolution but it appears they were they would have really you know it
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would have been much better for everybody if trosky had inherited uh the leadership after Lenin died and Stalin
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was this awful evil baby eating dictator you know who murdered 20 people before breakfast you know all the rest of it so
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um but we are given trotskyite myths as fact in the west almost from birth when
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it comes to our understanding of socialism and the Soviet Union um and the you know trotskyism plays this and
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has played since the 1950s and especially 60s 70s 80s a really
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important role in helping to uh fragment and destroy the communist movement you
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know Kev speech by itself is the most single most terrible thing that happened
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I mean obviously it went with him taking over control of the Soviet Union or his click uh and the people around him the
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forces around him but that speech and the policy of the Soviet Union that was
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connected to that speech uh in the in the in the course of one year half of
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the world’s Communist party members resigned so it had this huge Global
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impact and into that that place of demoralization and
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confusion and distress of so many people that we thought Stalin was this great
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hero and now you’re telling us that he was this awful guy and we’ve been confused and misled and maybe our rulers
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when they tell us things about about the Soviet Union maybe they’re telling the truth and all this chaos and every Communist Party split into factions
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between people upholding Stalin and people agreeing with cruff and you know this all of this into this situation
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came trotskyite parties so because Cru just leading of the Soviet Union was
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preaching now peaceful coexistence with imperialism the peaceful road to socialism we don’t want revolutions
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anymore all the revisionist parties that stuck with Kev and the Soviet Union which was the biggest part of every
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every big party did that they followed this line they took it on and they and
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they put it out to their masses and that totally demoralized the communist movement so someone who wants who
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believes who reads marks and Lenin and understands we need Revolution what happens to them when the Communist party
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is now saying oh no no what we have to do is focus on getting social Democrats elected to Parliament and we have to
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live peacefully and there will be a steady evolusion to socialist M and you know anywhere there’s nuclear weapons
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now so we can’t make a revolution because we’ll all get killed you know and and this demoralization well so
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people who want Revolution now there were new organizations saying no no no no no this is not real socialism if you
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want Revolution come to us we’re the real leninists and to prove that we’re the real leninists we take on all of the
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words of the Bolshevik revolutionary period so they they always dress your
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truck this is the trotskyite movement now suddenly emerges as a pole of Attraction for revolutionary minded
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young people and they’re saying they’re using revolutionary words they’re saying one solution Revolution you know that’s
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the solution to everything they they sound very very militant they sell newspapers on every corner and they have
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names like you know spartacist and you know so they red hammer and you know
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they they they take on all the all the imagery the iconography and the
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nomenclature you know the the titles and the and the and the and the and the and the the vocabulary of the Bolshevik
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leninist you know revolutionary period so they dress themselves up in these clothes but what’s the essence of their
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policy you’re right they uh absolutely
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despise the dictatorship of the pitaria they do not believe that the mass of the
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poor working class uh can be trusted with power they denounce any development
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anywhere in the world where the mass of the poor working class are making history as some terrible PCH they do not
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accept Lenin’s thesis of imperialism this is how you see that trotskyism is really an imperialist ideology because
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it essentially is rooted in the privileged sections of the workingclass and the petty Bourgeois in the west
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that’s where it comes from that’s where it really rests naturally particularly because since it doesn’t recognize Len
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in thesis on imperialism it doesn’t recognize two really important things about the world
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number one is in the west the working class is divided because of imperialist
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super profits into a labor aristocracy a privileged section and a less privilege section the trotskyites say no no no
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we’re all workers we’re all the same they won’t recognize this difference and therefore they can’t act accordingly
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they gloss it over and hide it and actually they base themselves in the labor aristocracy which is loyal to
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imperialism right that’s number one on the on the the kind of flip side of that failure to understand what imperialism
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does they don’t recognize the National Liberation struggles in the rest of the world as Progressive they denounce them
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on the basis that their leaderships are Bourgeois not proletarian but of course
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what that actually ends up meaning is in both cases they end up on the side of imperialism so they reinforce
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imperialist propaganda about for example Irish Liberation
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Fighters oh no they’re they’re boura it’s a boura nationalist Movement we can’t have anything to do with that so
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they make it they make their objection sound very revolutionary but the essence of their objection is to make them side
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with their own imperialist class so this is the role that trism plays it sucks up revolutionary minded young people keeps
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them busy for a while doing nothing very meaningful and reinforces the propaganda
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they’ve been given without helping them question and get rid of it which is actually the job of a Communist Party
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job of a Communist party is to re-educate young people or people who are coming towards the movement and help them get rid of the prejudices that
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their life the media the education system has filled their mind with but of course the trotskyites have a much
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easier job they just wrap up those prejudices in you know revolutionary
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sounding phraseology last point you made about socialist construction yes absolutely right you know in every time
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the workers of the world actually get on take power and start building something
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the trotskyists can be absolutely relied upon to denounce it but on the other
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side they’re always seeing socialist projects where they don’t exist for
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example uh I’ll give you some examples in the anti-war movement that I’ve been active in in Britain for many many years
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in fact decades um every single time British imperialism was planning to Jo
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American imperialism in launching a war against some country in the Middle East the trotskyites would turn up anti-war
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meetings all around the country and start saying how the targeted country was having a popular
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revolution and that there were people’s councils being formed so they make it sound like there’s something very socialist and [ __ ] going on so they
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said it about Syria they said it about Iran uh they said it about Libya uh they
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may have said about Yugoslavia I can’t remember all all the way back that far but you know they regularly say it and
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they never afterwards admit that there was a total lie it’s always a total lie right but they propagate this idea
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presumably most of their people don’t realize this is a lie they feel excited because they’re told it’s true and they
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go to meetings and say it but these are essentially you know the security
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services lies to brainwash Progressive
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workers into feeling that the war aims of the imperialists are Justified we’re
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going in to help get rid of a Nazi dictator and at the same time the people are rising up against the same dictator
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right so in the anti-war movement the trotskyites come along reinforcing the imperialist pro-war propaganda with a
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left kind of slogan onto it our leftists also say that there are uh there um the
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imperialist dictatorship here in Russia or our like local
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dictatorship so um if we lose the war just Americans will come and will rule
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us and it was wouldn’t be worse than it is now that will be the same thing do
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they I mean what shocks me about that is do they not remember what happened in the 1990s in the time of Boris yelton if
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you want to see a taste of what colonized Russia would be look at what
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was happening then or look at what’s happening in Ukraine you don’t have to
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look very far do you to see what happens to a total Colony like yes okay Russia is capitalist and you know I understand
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this emotional anger and hatred for the capitalist class in Russia who have who
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have taken away who have appropriated the wealth produced by the Soviet people and taken away the the Socialist system
45:20
built by the Soviet people and but we have to study and remain
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objective in our analysis or we become people who can be manipulated because
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we’re acting emotionally not on the basis of socialist science socialist science is not a group of insults you
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know this is what the trites do and the imperialists in their propaganda they encourage this everything should be
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emotional and socialist terminology becomes swear words you’re an imperialist no you’re an imperialist you
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know you’re a trist no you’re a no it has there must be meaning there must be meaning to these words you know to say
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that there will be no difference is is really a terrible thing to say to the
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Russian people because you are helping the imperialist to demoralize the people you’re helping to to demot demotivate
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them and to demobilize them when everything is needed right now to the war effort to defeat imperialism and
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Russia is not just fighting for Russia Russia is fighting for the world Russia’s doing an amazing job but it’s
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it’s a very difficult and important fight that Russia’s engaged on we need to mobilize anybody who who wants to see
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the end of imperialism has to understand that this existential fight of Russia is
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a key battle in the defeat of us imperialism which is the main state of the world imperialist system right now
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you know the European imperialist powers are nothing without the US’s military
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might anymore and so the whole imperial system is hinging on the US’s ability to
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remain hegemonic in the world and this fight you know why why can they not walk
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away from it even though they’ve clearly been beaten and that was clear from quite early on they can’t walk away from
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it because it’s such a big defeat for them the the the prospects of looting
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Russia which they need the imperialists need to to have a big loot Fest soon or
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their economy is going to collapse completely this like you have to study imperialism and imperialist economics
47:29
and see these developments objectively or you’ll end up giving you know even though you mean you want the best for
47:36
your country and your people you’re going to end up giving them the opposite message from the one that they need now
47:41
Russia is in a situation as an Anti-Imperialist but capitalist country where Communists need to make uh common
47:49
cause with the national Bourgeois against imperialism recognizing that
47:55
that’s an unstable Alliance it’s not a promise forever it’s not re it’s not an assumption that Vladimir Putin is going
48:01
to bring back the Soviet Union but let’s also admit to ourselves you know that
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history is a contradictory process the truth is in having to face imperialism
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the government of Vladimir Putin and National Russia is having to deliver things to the Russian people it’s also
48:20
having to develop its economy in a in a self-sufficient way which is very
48:27
beneficial to Russia and in many ways it’s having to resuscitate a whole load of Soviet traditions in order to stand
48:33
up to imperialism so whether it wants to or not objectively it’s doing things which help lay the groundwork for
48:39
bringing back the Soviet Union that might not be its plan that’s our plan right but you know we have to
48:46
objectively see that these actually these things are the outcome of this fight against imperialism and to me you
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know good revolutionary Communists need to find a way to be at the heart of this process to mobilize the people that
48:59
actually defeating imperialism isn’t going to be enough if we don’t want to you know suffer all the same Fates again
49:05
and again we’re going to have to not just defeat imperialism but re reinstate
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the Soviet Union we need to go back to a socialist planned economy in order to be strong secure peaceful educated cultured
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you know you know all the things you lost right to live our best life right
49:23
to live your best life um I also wanted to to ask you about the organization in
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which you belong to the international Anti-Imperialist platform uh where can
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we read some program articles some Publications about the organization’s
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activities and just tell a little bit about the organization so in fact the world
49:46
Anti-Imperialist platform was formed um after the launch of Russia’s special
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military operation and it was really a response to the a theoretical confusion
49:58
in the communist movement globally in the wake of uh that operation being
50:04
launched because it was shocking to discover just how many parties call themselves socialist and communist were
50:11
denouncing Russia including in my own country the you know the Communist Party of Britain so-called the revisionist
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party uh its position is a kind of sitting on the fence pretending to kind
50:24
of see both sides are bad and we just want peace oh there needs to be a peace plan there needs to be a peace plan but
50:29
in fact the the first line of their demands for this peace are Russian
50:35
troops out but of course Russian troops out means NATO troops in and there’s no
50:41
recognition of that it means carry on with your you know attempted genocide in the donbass Russian troops out it it
50:47
means essentially it’s agreeing with the imperialists that all this situation came about because Russia was randomly
50:53
aggressive one day you know Vladimir Putin woke up one day and decided to launch an unjustified aggression against
50:59
R against Ukraine know that’s crazy yeah so many many parties around the world
51:05
were repeating this which is essentially imperialist propaganda so what that shows us is that a lot of people who
51:12
call themselves Communists are not studying properly not following developments properly we had eight years
51:18
to prepare for what was happening with the Smo my party has produced a book on the war in Ukraine which puts together
51:25
the Articles we were writing from 2014 onwards like it was clear to people who
51:30
are communist and Marxist what was happening from then it shouldn’t have been a shock to them that the Smo ended
51:38
up being launched I mean it might have been a surprise in the moment but only for a very you know only momentarily in
51:44
terms of understanding the context and what had driven it there was nothing surprising it was all there in front of
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us the M Minsk and you know the way that NATO was building up um uh Ukraine all
51:55
the rest of it and fortifying it all these things and certainly you know since the launch of the very quickly
52:01
after the start of the Smo we got a lot more information about just how militarized Ukraine had become you know
52:08
how fortified the country had become and there’s only one reason for all that fortification that’s that’s because
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you’re planning a war against Russia no other reason but um so the the world
52:20
Anti-Imperialist platform was basically you know some communist groups got together and said look there’s a real
52:25
problem in our movement people are spreading um lies about and
52:31
and and repeating imperialist propaganda about Russia and they are demobilizing
52:36
the world’s working class and Progressive sections of working people who should be very clear that they have
52:43
a side in the war all of progressive Humanity should be on the side of Russia
52:49
should want the defeat of the fascist proxy forces in Ukraine which is basically a front for NATO it’s a proxy
52:55
war where by NATO against Russia the territory is Ukraine the cannon fodder
53:01
is Ukrainian but the war is launched by NATO to destroy Russia and we need to
53:07
understand that and the fact that so few communist parties are able to articulate that we thought is a real problem so
53:13
essentially we founded the platform we wrote something called the Paris declaration and if you search the
53:18
internet for the Paris declaration um world Anti-Imperialist platform you can probably find it we do have a website uh
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I think it’s form 21.org where you can find Our Kind of founding documents and
53:31
you know since our founding conference which was in October two years ago in Paris where we launched the Paris
53:38
declaration with a fairly small number of parties initially signing it we have
53:44
made big efforts to connect with parties from around the world to hold conferences in different parts of the
53:50
world to bring uh Communists together on an Anti-Imperialist platform which means
53:55
exposing in the wrong and rotten theories about imperialism which are confusing too many people who identify
54:03
as Communists but haven’t really got a strong theoretical Foundation to be able
54:08
to make sense of what’s Happening uh and now I have the last question how life um changed in Britany
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in Britain since uh 2020 um just has the standard of living
54:22
changed like public opinion something yes everything is changing quite fast these
54:29
days actually um you know there was already uh an economic crisis in Britain
54:36
that’s been ongoing and in many ways getting getting steadily worse since
54:41
2008 austerity for the working class you know uh Cuts in government spending cuts
54:47
in wages pay pensions have been steadily getting worse and worse since
54:52
2008 um 2020 there was another big stock market crash uh and it was covered up by
54:59
the covid lockdowns so a lot of people didn’t realize it happened but actually under the cover of paying people uh
55:07
paying to help people get through covid actually what the government did was print a lot of money to pay companies
55:14
that were failing on the stock exchange so we had a big bailout of uh the stock
55:20
exchange in 2020 uh we had a lot of money printing During the period of
55:25
covid to pay big pharmaceutical companies and various providers and big tech companies and you know so there was
55:32
some parts of the economy making a huge amount of money while many small companies were going out of business um
55:38
and since then of course with the Russia’s launch of Theo then Britain massively ramped up
55:45
its funding to the Ukrainian Army and that has also been done through money
55:51
printing which and of course all this money printing is is devaluing our our
55:56
our currency and creating inflation and then on top of that so we already had an inflation crisis we were that was that
56:04
has come back from 2008 that the government bailed out the banks which were failing in 2008 by printing a huge
56:11
amount of money and because they didn’t get the repercussions of that immediately they started to believe that
56:17
they could just keep printing money forever and it will have no no consequence uh and the imperialists can
56:23
also get away with this for a while because they have currencies which the whole world has to use so there’s many
56:29
many pounds in circulation many dollars especially in circulation so it takes a long time for your money printing to
56:35
start to devalue the currency but eventually it does right eventually
56:41
you’re getting and you and you’ve made a situation where inflation is now rampant and out of control and they can’t get a
56:46
handle back on it on top of this The All Out economic War they waged against
56:54
Russia at the beginning of the SMR and since then in the last two years has massively exacerbated our problem
57:01
because it cut off the supplies of cheap Russian energy to to Western Europe and
57:07
that has given us both inflation in the cost of all our Goods inflation in the
57:12
cost of all our transport and of course uh further inflation because there’s an energy shortage and all of that means
57:19
that we have an energy crisis the price of energy uh in Britain in the last few
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years has gone up absolutely astronomically uh and the price of goods
57:30
is rising fast all the time so the standard of living and particularly for the poorest sections of of of the
57:36
country are plummeting very fast and every winter now in the papers there’s a
57:42
discussion how are people going to get through the winter you know can what’s going to happen if there’s a cold snap
57:48
like this is now becoming a thing we all have to worry about if there’s a sudden you know a big chunk of time where it
57:53
gets really really cold and people need a lot of heating what’s going to happen what’s going to happen to the poor in
57:58
that situation in our country you know so they we’re the sixth richest or seventh richest country in the world
58:05
they tell us and yet uh something like one in three or one in four British
58:10
children goes to school hungry and comes home to a cold house so this is this is
58:18
not something that I saw in the Britain that I grew up in this is a very modern phenomenon uh we are returning to the
58:24
times before World War II as the the social safety net is gradually being got
58:29
rid of and the reason for it is the is the economic crisis which means that uh
58:34
areas of profitability are being sought very desperately by the imperialist they’ve got all this money to invest they need
58:41
to invest and make a profit and so any part of the economy that’s not making profits for them they need to get a hold
58:47
of and make profits so all of our Public Utilities all of our public services are
58:55
privatized to become businesses and make profits and what that means is a worst
59:00
service that’s very expensive for workers and increasingly you know no
59:05
service or or just you know very little for paying a lot and all of this adds up
59:11
to you know a situation where our schools are in crisis our hospitals and
59:16
GP you know doctor surgeries are in crisis uh our roads don’t get mended you
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know uh we don’t have uh decent you know we can’t afford enough food enough heating you know
59:29
masses of workers simply just can’t really afford their lives their working hours get longer and longer people are
59:35
more and more stressed so this is very much the the direction of travel we see and now we have a new labor government
59:41
which came in making one or two promises to make things a bit better immediately
59:47
got into office it said we fully back NATO we fully back Ukraine to the last
59:52
Ukrainian um you know we stand we stand with UK ukine forever uh and then they
59:58
said um oh we’ve just discovered that there’s a big hole in the finances that
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we didn’t know about so those things we said we’d do for the poor we can’t do them so there were certain things they
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were going to they were going to do like scrap a rule in benefits which means
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that four families that have more than two children can only get benefits as if
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they had two children so what that does is just force the poorest people in our
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in our uh Society into really abject poverty and it’s children that they’re forcing into poverty with this measure
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right they’re punishing them because their parents had too many children and not enough money right so they scrapped
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that they said they were going to get away with it before they’re elected they said it’s an inhuman measure but then they came in and said oh well we got to
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balance the book so sorry about that and they’ve introduced um means testing so
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because of the kind of outrage about the cost of fuel for poor people the for the
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last few Winters there’s been something called a winter fuel allowance for for the elderly for old people a winter fuel
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allowance to help them get through the winter and not die of the cold you know
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in the winter time now they’ve introduced a means test so you have to
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prove that you’re poor enough to get the money and of course what that means is there will be a section of the poor
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elderly who don’t quite qualify or who don’t even try and fill the form in
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but who are too poor to heat their houses you know so again there’ll be a section of poor people who are penalized
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by this by this measure so the you know the things that they’re doing as soon as they’ve arrived into office are push
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down on the poor more money to the arms manufacturers more support for NATO you
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know into the drive to war even more you know public statements about how China
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is the most important enemy Russia’s got to be defeated China’s got to be defeated you know they want to defeat
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every thing that stands in the way of imperialist Looting of the planet and this this is supposed to be a labor
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government right the party of the working class is still described as by pe by the trotskyists by the
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revisionists they still call the labor party the party of the working class although you know it spent a 100 years
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as a servant of imperialism and what about the public opinion what people think about all this you know there’s a
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lot of anger and frustration about uh you know the the the rapidly falling
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living standards for many people U there’s also a lot of confusion about where it comes from unfortunately people
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don’t really follow and pay a lot of attention to the war in Ukraine they don’t tend to understand its
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significance uh or the fact that they’re being completely lied to about it there’s a lot of lies told to them about
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immigration that the reason that they’re poor and that they don’t have jobs and that their services are crumbling is
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because of immigrants which of course of course it is not it’s because of capitalism and imperialism but one thing
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I think where public opinion is causing real problems for the ruling class is
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when it comes to the genocide in Gaza now that is something which a large
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section of the British working class is paying very close attention to and they
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are disgusted by the complicity of every one of our political parties of all of
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the main media Outlets it’s been totally exposed to them that the media and the
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politicians lie and they know they’re lying and that they’re defending fascists they’re defending genocide they’re apologizing for it covering it
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up for it arming it funding it so this is something which is creating a real
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tension and a real problem for the ruling class uh and another set of
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measures that has been announced by our government is to do with um trying to crush this descent so um they use the
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excuse of racist riot that we had in the summer and actually those riots were
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stirred up by the very people who then come up and say oh how shocking how disgusting we must get rid of horrible
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racists right so they Stir It Up and then they use it as an excuse to say oh
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our laws aren’t good enough if only we had different laws we wouldn’t have these awful racists on the streets
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trying to murder refugees uh that’s not true we it’s already a crime to to try to murder
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refugees it’s already a crime to try to burn down buildings you know it’s all all those things are already crimes
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right but they’re saying oh because we need to crack down on this terrible Behavior what do we want to do what to
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speed up the judicial process what will that mean that means there’s no time to prepare a
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defense so that’s the abolition of they’re proposing essentially the abolition of due process they say we
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have to crack down on hate speech hate speech you know people in my party were
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arrested on the Palestine demonstrations for hate speech we were told it was
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anti-semitic to be anti-zionist and our party members were arrested for hate speech but they weren’t able to bring a
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prosecution because we have all the arguments and it would they wouldn’t be
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able to get a conviction so they want to make the laws against hate speech
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stronger not to stop racism which they provoke all the time to stop
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anti-zionist which is Anti-Imperialist speech they want to stop that speech
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very much and they’re trying to find ways to do it there recently was an arrest of um middle-aged lady who just
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lives quietly in a village in rural England but who spends a lot of time
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cating information about Palestine and posting it on the internet she’s not particularly well known she’s not in an
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organization she doesn’t have a party behind her she was targeted for the most brutal arrest and an anti-terror raid it
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was really horrific what they did to her what they did to her house very very brutal uh it’s time to send a message to
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people you know to say it hate speech posting things online can can open you
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up to this type of attack you know to scare people off because there’s a growing number of people who are paying
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attention and who feel really like they have to do something so they want to crack down on speech um they want to
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have more censorship and they want to crack down on the right to protest also the most recent Palestine demonstration
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there were moves by the police to try to disrupt that stop it from happening stop it from taking the usual route stop it
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you know even though they’re very respectable peaceful demonstrations they start they’ve started this process of
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trying to disrupt it and trying to present you know when the riots happened in the summer a lot of the media and
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politicians referred to them as protests so they want to conflate protest and
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rioting um they want to conflate anti-zionism with racism so that they
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can justify keeping it off the streets because the Palestine movement is something very
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very uh worrying to them you know it’s a big uh upsurge in popular anger and at
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the heart of it it’s Anti-Imperialist because the real message of it is imperialism out of the Middle East and
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of course the Middle East is a key asset of anglo-american imperialism and without it they’re really in
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trouble aren’t you scared to uh say all these things on YouTube or somewhere
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well you know whatever happens happens you know you don’t you don’t become a revolutionary to live a quiet and easy
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life uh so far we have been too small to
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be serious targets of the state at the point at which that chains you know
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we’ll have to find other ways but you know the reality is we have to we have
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to tell people the truth you know that’s the job of the revolutionaries and if we
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ultimately the working class has all the power it just doesn’t realize it you know but how
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do you help them realize it if you too are are scared of what the ruling class
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might do to you if you say something well then who are the people who are going to help the working class to understand that Marxism has the key to
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the problems that face them that they have the power themselves to change
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society that their force is far stronger even than all the forces of this
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apparently very strong powerful State because this strong powerful State actually only benefits a tiny handful of
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people and even with all its proxy forces lined up in front of it it’s still a small minority of society but we
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have to understand that don’t we and the role of the Vanguard is to instill this
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Consciousness into the masses and take away their fear take away their isolation bring back to them a sense of
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class solidarity so you know this is this is our job we just we you know
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whatever happens that’s what we have to do thank you very much D Jody I’m really
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very happy to talk to you thank you you’re welcome it was nice meeting you take care thank you goodbye