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  • in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14862
    Mr P
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    The assembly of intrepid great leaders. Consider the aesthetic they present. Has Heaven ever before staged such a parade of specimens? Collectively they telegraph as clearly as a bill-board – caricatures of the full array of cardinal sins. My old Rabbi friend used to say> First, God whispers, then, if man does not listen, He throws rocks Well, here we are.

    Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14843
    Mr P
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    China Warship> In my wild days, for a time, I lived aboard a 6 ton steel river-boat, displacement hull with a strong V8, and quite comfy. After some hull modifications she was a formidable and reactive maneuverable craft, and I became fairly adept at motorboat riverain maters. ( it was possible to turn her 180 without losing way, without changing vector, thus backing against prop thrust) And rules of the road…actually went to school and passed the courses and exams. Thus the video of the overtaking maneuver was a great pleasure. I put myself in ship C and ran the maneuver as though I’d had the con. C starboard overtaking N port, N became forced to reduce speed or ram. N chickened out. C did not. Technically, legalistically, C was at fault, iirc the Rules. Noting that the rules are not relevant to the encounter. (and recalling that in wild days I myself have done similar, for similar reasons to richguy boats… a big middle finger…riverainpolitics. And I have heard stories of people brandishing weapons afloat…) Stuff happens. Next time maybe no more Misterniceguy…

    Best! Hot day a’comin’ an’ the old feller needs to get busy in the coolness. P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14839
    Mr P
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    Mr S > https://simplicius76.substack.com/  has posted a thorough view to the affair 404 in technical and thoughtful terms, as of about now minus 12 . He apprehends the possibility that nazi404 will turn to defense if the Red Armies overdo it, just now. Nazitowestenland is obviously planning to use atomic stuff, but they may not have taken a final decision. I’d say that Mr S’s apprehension might extend similarly – if Red Armies overdo it, exceed some unknowable rate of defeating the nazis that may decide NazitowestenlandHQ to use those nifty antique jets on the old Charge of the Light Brigade routine. Maybe the little fella and the obedient guy and the Pole are being set up for the gag. I do wonder though, if they’ll consider the recent fleet exercises last seen headed to ward Guam… I mean consider in the full scope of the business. And their own persons.

    A charming thing, even in the horrors Mr S shows, was his usage of “cozen”… of which word neither I nor Mrs P were aware. “swindle by artful cunning, I would say it means. It’s a fine word for the context of conflicts, and especially of violence – recalling Master Sun Tsu and his heavenly cohort of philosopher-warriors. Oh! Look there, Stalin puffing away and Trotsky arguing with Liddel Hart….

    Best! P

     

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14823
    Mr P
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    “Morinin’ Friends –

    It’s a feature of symposium that new things come “poof!”, they were not, and then they are, so to say. Thus > …honest labour will for sure cure his insanity! The same goes for the entire western power elite... drags up thought about health and work, as in FxD/T work, possibly with axe or shovel.

    If The Great Boris had been humbled and made strong by honest labour, would he be Boris? Among the convicts-to-be>  Bringt Arbeit Klarheit im Arbeitslager? Und Scham?

    I’d like to have the agenda for Paris triparte meeting 12 June, the little fella and Olaf all round the Pole, so to say. Rubric “Plan R, Final”, no doubt. Anyway, ah got me a bad feelin’ about it.

    I liked the bear cartoon. Thanks. Not knowing how to take still frames from old films, I don’t…but if I did…well great stills in a bad film that’s actually good- George Raft badly cast, London deserted, 1952 “I’ll Get You”…

    Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14771
    Mr P
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    BBear makes friendsBear has good friends….better be nice Mr Fascist!

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 7/06/2023 … Open Thread #14769
    Mr P
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    Western tools of Statecraft…(Very Droll!)………..the crime scene is endless and everywhere…reading on counter-rotating propellers and this came up>  “In 1957, British RAF Shackletons participated heavily during Jebel Akhdar War in Oman to expand the territory of the Sultanate, which was a de facto British colony, in order to gain access to oil wells in the interior parts of Oman. The RAF made 1,635 raids, dropping 1,094 tons and firing 900 rockets at the interior of Oman between July and December 1958 targeting insurgents, mountain top villages, water channels and crops in a war that remained under low profile.” Shameless, eh? Bald murder of helpless people to steal their stuff. There’s a name for that.

    (the Shackleson used CR props…very sexy way to murder people.)

    Mrs P dug-out from the soil red onions to-day.

    serachterm > “die linke keine bomber uber unseren kopfen” (which is from a poster Sara W sent) Big demonstration. Meantime in, perhaps, memory of Otto John, the German Feds plan to “outlaw” AfD…which may give a bit of a boost to Die Linke. Grossman wrote to the plight of the German left, what’s left of it. All very nice of course. I’ll wait for the film.

     

    Best! P

     

     

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14687
    Mr P
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    Well, yeah. Old Mac may be past it…but then, well, men live in plastic deformation, schizoid, maybe…and early memory of attitude…you know. Meantime>  ‘Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.’

    I may be mistaken, but I believe that the legal theory behind the US military pension is that an individual is still liable to activation until death…that’s to say that the retired are “assigned” to retirement…anyway, like Orwell said about paychecks and stuff. When source speaks bs, why?

    VVP spoke to lend-lease…so does, recently, McGovern…the latter man spoke thusly> Without lend lease (and D-Day landings) it would have taken the Red Army another year to get to the Atlantic.

    FWIW I agree, a year…and a mighty change. But during that year, Groves’ gadgets would have landed on the Red Army? We’ll never know. Well, maybe petty soon Groves prediction “the bomb is for Russia” uttered in ’44, will come true. natzi stops at nothing.

    Best!

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14669
    Mr P
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    “They pissed away the work and inheritance of 500 years.”  Yes, but they have done this ever since, as Hudson tells us, the West become oligarchic, er “democratic”…the essence of which is compound interest and the lack of jubilee, if I understand his thesis. This may be the third cycle, maybe, depending on how one sees it. Probably the nastiest too.

    “Most of the Global South has unblocked internet (and opened minds which can learn) and is watching rapt in real time. What is really dying on the Novorossiyan steppe is not the hapless remnants of the Ukies, but the West’s martial reputation…” [and vestige of moral reputation]

    Yes, and not only to the South. In West the realization spreads and takes form according to, mostly, propaganda…but dismay is spreading…a factor that may become a feedback with “k>1” so to say. As I said, my generation was present at the (re)creation (n2.0) and has the fate of being also present at the destruction (n=0). A nice symmetric period, axial, in a sense. Perhaps it was appropriate that we studied the Roman and Greek, especially the Roman…so we would know what to expect.  Happily, I probably won’t miss it, it being I suppose the sacking…whatever that may look like…some say it’s happening now and I take their points. Where’s the border? Schrodinger’s border…look and it goes poof! Ducktestsack? Weeellll. Speaking of Latin and Change, I can easily recite the US pledge of allegiance in Latin… Oh how we were seduced…well, it worked for awhile.

    Howard K. Smith, who was in Berlin until December of ’41 and had then fluent German, tells of Goebbels on  der (?) Volksempfänger screaming  einmalig in der geschichte! about the glorious nazi victories. Charming how we have these echos from the future uttered by the devils themselves. Of course, Brother, that future is now…and indeed einmalig in der geschichte! eh? (Smith was helpful, btw, in clearing up some questions about v. Luckner, whom Smith did not know, but frequently saw in Berlin…just during the period that the canon claims otherwise.)

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    It does seem that Lady Vickie’s bigbigplan was/is to blow the dam and grab the NPP complex as hostage or indeed blow the NPP.

    The little voice says that there may now be explosions in centers of command and control.

    A tentative assumption is the the Russian intel people knew the plan. And the prospect was obvious, so the fellas will adapt. https://youtu.be/Kp1I55f-iHk (MilSummaryCh) describes the dam as a two level structure. Only the top portion is ruptured, he says. Vickie’s gloriousplan is probably already fubar, maybe kaputski…

    Best! P

     

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14627
    Mr P
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    As the West escalates beyond current terrorism on Telegram and in Belgorod region to frank bestiality, the latter will mature too, and bring into question many prior assumptions. (and the preceding sense of things)… May we properly regard this time as equivalent to a singularity? And may we also expect some sorts of real expressions of this? I thought NS job was over the line…speaking of Walter and Smoky at the bowling alley, with a 1911 between them…a sort of singularity of moment, where everything changes.

    In the country-side of my youth there were many family farms, and ruins of more, commonly in the door-yards or barn-yards one would find old cast iron petrol engines, shattered by ice. Leave a glass of water out in winter…well, phuckaroundfindout. There is an inevitable explosion, small and rather slow, but audible…in big stuff it can be dangerous when solids break.

    When the new phase occurs, the old beliefs shatter similarly, and with similarly, the attendant chemistry and violence.  People sometimes speak of stages of grief, shock…ah dunno, not so structured perhaps, but nuanced and liable to crowd influences, shape-able…but explosive. Attempting to shape the narrative and social chaos will probably increase the shock, but I’d expect it.

    The Great Fine Gentleman Dean Acheson wrote of being “present at the creation” (of the resurgent fascist armies and bindings generally spoken of as NATO). He was quite proud. And he is gone. (I remember the pro-nato advertising campaigns, a little. Now His Great Work crumbles… And we, who were present then, are present at the destruction. What wonders!

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    At Chronicle term “Schrodinger’s Offensive” was coined. Quite fine! Bravo!

    But this suggests an entire genre of Schrodinger jokes…

    “Quick! where’s General Schrodinger!?”

    “I don’t know Captain! Every time I look for him he’s not there.”

    Then there’s General Schrodinger’s jeep… and so forth.

    Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14611
    Mr P
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    Mac Sweeney on Western Myth was quite fine, save for the unsupported last 4 para. Well, #4 was alright, mostly the 3 preceding para.

    My understanding of the History dove-tails to hers. And my understanding of the present “values” runs to the values of The Damned and worse. I think at the end she’s paying service to a crowd. Viewing in realpolitik, so to say. Pretending, or maybe not. The academy can be brutal…one reason for existence is political control, of course.

    She says> “…contemporary Western values such as liberal democracy, the rule of law, and equality of human rights; undeniably rooted in imperialism and white supremacy…”

    I have not seen any Liberal Democracy for a long time, nor rule of law, etc…and I don’t see how, if these are bad, either mala in se or mala prohibita (due to unsupported claim of “roots”), it matters. Anyway, what’s wrong with rule of law and equality of rights? And how are these “bad”, is this some sort of “values racism”..”.like I didn’t like your daddy and I don’t care if you saved a kid from drowning, I still don’t like you”?

    “If we want to…” and “What should we…” when referring to the West is just plain delusional, as it assumes political power is held by her class and cohort. It ain’t.

    Now then, I do not assume that the Western Myth, whatever odd set of beliefs that may be, is not changing, an’ fast…partly, mostly, due to propaganda, like always. Partly due to technical gizmos…I’d include the campy dress-up under rubric “propaganda”…everywhere the icons burn…but it has nothing to do with “we need”. Rather otherwise…Du wirst die Käfer essen, so to say. Goebbels claimed he could make people believe just about anything.

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    Hudson was superb. I’ll shall save pennies to buy the relevant tome. ($31+ buckies) I myself, you may imagine, eschew Augustine…Hudson gives the old fella a good take-down. I liked that. Schadenfreude, shame on me. Father and I would have had a disagreement about Augustine, something to discuss at any chance meeting…arm wrestling at “Abe’s Place” over bourbon and beers… Father took the Anglican view, aheemmm. They say I take after Mother…probably so, as that was a nutty family ‘way back. Heretics, Quakers, though Pop was of a Quaker line too. Anyway the Hudson interview with Ben Norton was thrilling.

    Best! P

     

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14609
    Mr P
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    Thanks very kindly Brother. I did know the Ehret paper, but Literary Hub article will be new and fun. The canonical History? Well, over time it became absurd, but your source. MacSweeney – this will be a joy.

    Just now listening to Brother Hudson> https://youtu.be/Hqe3IQQo_t4

    Complex “machines” generally require “repeaters” and feed-back “re-enforcement”…in the nuts and bolts realm this means actuators and sensors and amplifiers and servos and logic control – force times distance over time with a steam engine or whatnot somewhere. In the Perverse Realm and hinted at in The Damned and etc, in that Reality similar functions must obtain within the set of, well, devils’ agents…”mango” meaning “slave trader”, iirc the Latin, I would suggest. Thus there might be: financial amplifiers, control media, media amplifiers, control by latch-in or latch-out, or zeroing, surveys of opinion, agents, switching, nodes of logic (Soros et al), and a source of power – that’s to say, guns and money. Such a machine would “worship” power, especially over life and time. At least it seems like it would, and like it does. Like the Physics and the Chemistry, it can seduce. Another film I can’t bear to re-watch, Once Upon a Time in America….

    A crew of Armenian house painters I ate with long ago spoke of Bush43, saying “His God is money”. Well…

    Gee whiz…

    Thanks again. Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14601
    Mr P
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    Your BBC cartoon is bitterly true. I generally check the lies by earphones/radio daily, and the focus on trivial is SOP, as is emotion…The government re-transmits BBC “nuz) as a “public service” sort of thing.

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    Coincidental, it seems, to fascist and nazi character is sexual perversion and homoerotic iconography…the general idea being that it’s not mere coincidence, but a vivid manifestation of a pathogenesis in progress. Burroughs and N Lunch…and naturally Visconti’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_(1969_film) …and we may glimpse an American theme in Scorpio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_Rising_(film) …………. K Anger, in another story, tells of the Great James Dean of American movie iconography…and yeah…the whole pervert scene in Hollywood. I always thought the head shots were campy.

    It’s no great insight to say “pathogenesis”, is it?

    I suffered in discomfort through part of Damned… and Rising.  The folks from Essen and Manchester’s book on the family – manifestly pirates and crazy. It’s interesting what did not get bombed, eh? I think Visconti’s thesis is convincing. I was very impressed.

    Meantime a wonder-place> Dzungarian Gate and Herodotus’ mythical Hyperboreans…

    https://thecradle.co/article-view/25429/the-sultan-20-will-heavily-tilt-east

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungarian_Gate#References

    No doubt that the fascists will, having heard of the Hyperboreans, now bomb them…Arctic “Ford” excursion on the job. Yes, they’re navigationally impaired, but they’re ever so exceptionally inclusive of fools…lighthouses better move outtadaway!

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    Italian bees are nice and even-tempered.

    Best!

     

     

     

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14603
    Mr P
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    Fine cartoon! And painfully true. NPR, which retransmitts BBC “nuz”, also does the same rhetorical tricks.

     

    evidently my previous, which does not appear, is waylaid by software. Excessive urls, I suppose. Movies and manifestations, just observations, mostly.

    Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14574
    Mr P
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    Noting that the feelings of betrayal sometimes manifest in irrational form. Such is the way of men and women, and a driver of events that’s dangerously difficult, sometimes.

    The old, and somewhat imaginary California of Steinbeck’s youth – well there were still some left-overs. I agree with him about not deserving the Nobel, but I also enjoy his prose for its easy moral seas. His lexicon and my own milk-tongue fit happily. Mother knew people that knew John socially, and said that the man was not very pleasant to engage with, but if so, he’s very easy to read.

    Criticism> https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Bradbury_Mark_2007_The_Moon_Is_Down.pdf

    Text> https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.115885/2015.115885.John-Steinbeck-The-Moon-Is-Down_djvu.txt

    It’s a white propaganda sketch, really, of morality and contrasts. Full of tasty bits. “The people? The people can do nothing, they’re disarmed”…and And Hunter said grimly, “It might be any one of
    five men. I got all five.” He went on musingly, “It’s
    so easy to wreck a dynamo if you know how. Just
    short it and it wrecks itself” He said, “The light ought ought
    to be on any time now.”

    (note the foreshadowing dual meaning, “light”. Old John was too innocent to see the war properly, but he sure teased out the singularities of Change and moral stress. The sketch was done for OSS, btw)

    The psyop in the political-emotional realm inside US against these imaginary “far right whateverers” would presumably be used to make matters even worse…look at the poor people locked up for visiting by police invitation “the People’s House”, no habeas…no right even to life…”just short it and it wrecks itself”, and it has done. And now they’re trying to stop Time… “strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. ” (Paul) or the good old standby> Quos Jupiter perdere vtult prius dementat.

    Nice day to garden…

    Best! P

    in reply to: The Hearty Salon 1/06/2023 … Open Thread #14563
    Mr P
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    “They do not really know any longer which side they are on .. because the US is so clearly the aggressor and they know what it means in military terms. So, the Big Boat of Worry! They want to be proud of their own. I have a sorry sense for these guys .. and then they have to watch when Biden falls over (a sandbag they say). One can even..”

    Not just those fellas. By degrees it’s a spreading gradual realization. ref my poor neighbor of whom I spoke. Veterans especially, my Army contract pals, the retired NCO’s, already had begun to realize even in the 90’s. They realize betrayal and the crimes, and this eats at them. Of course the moral realization and so on is one thing, but objective defeat and collapse, or whatever we see, that’s somewhat more immediate. These sum, I think. The contrast is blinding and stark. Humiliating. The iconoclastic process now shattering the basic assumptions, especially for MacGregor and kind, must be terrifying. Mother did instill Doubt in me, but the cadet period left some confusion.

    At one time the paperback “Sand Pebbles” (then widely read in USN), was perhaps an echo from the future, in a literary way everybody knew it was coming –  The sun rise in the East…so to say.

    The senile fella…what’s the penal code statute for elder abuse anyway?

    He’s a victim of his own character made worse by those who hustle him, pimp him, really. Yet it’s hard to be sympathetic to the plight of such a person.

    Best! P

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