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Mr P
ParticipantThere’s a lot on the plate my Brother. I disagree with some aspects and some give birth to new considerations…for example the destruction of S&G – was that the destruction of a corrupt institution (the city) and the people there mere “collateral” losses, or was the city the collateral loss? It’s a Jewish story too, so what does Jewish commentary say? I believe that the concept of excessive ornamentation dovetails through stages of vice to artificial stupidity as a natural part of end-stage stage capitalism and thence to violent but ultimately fruitless fascism. Thus “institutional stupidity”. But I want to work on this and related material, which interests us all one way or another, at some length. I may post some material on the subject. I may change my mind, we’ll see. Pay grade? Yes, but I have always worked that way, and suspect it’s ordinary. Best! P
For Uncle Tommy Lehrer > https://youtu.be/pIzRGHuJt_I
Of course Tom’s making the point that the kiddies are deceived into that first dose. Of course the big operations are on the stock exchange and have experts in deception. Later on his “national brotherhood week” (new to me!) shocked me a bit…. oh well.
Mr P
ParticipantAt Chronicles it is said> “Many times we ask ourselves the question, i.e., is the ordinary citizen of the US responsible for the acts of their Warmongering State of Insanity?”
The morality matter might be opened to question the behaviors of any State or people, and far into the past. However the question at hand as posed above seems to imply agency on the part of the groups that might be considered as to responsibility. Do the people have agency in the US? This agency would exist in a democracy with well-informed people guiding the State. In the present example, and arguably since the telegraph, at least, of the US this is simply not the case. The people have essentially zero power, they are baldly misinformed, and shrewdly manipulated by experts servile to fascists and ultimately nazis in the full sense. Since the first Europeans with steel and powder invaded this has grown step by step. It’s also stupid. It’s a pathology. https://archive.ph/YBO6u Princeton Study)
and https://archive.ph/X3X4A Famously J. Carter agreed “the US is not a democracy at this time”, as I recall.
Considering the influences (influential and crazy) Adolf Loos had, evidently extending to biology and the sciences > “It is a rule in paleontology that ornamentation and complication precede extinction. And our mutation, of which the assembly line, the collective farm, the mechanized army, and the mass production of food are evidences or even symptoms, might well correspond to the thickening armor of the great reptiles—a tendency that can end only in extinction. If this should happen to be true, nothing stemming from thought can interfere with it or bend it. Conscious thought seems to have little effect on the action or direction of our species.”
― John Steinbeck- John and the Doc went on a voyage in biology.(https://www.thoughtco.com/adolf-loos-architect-of-no-ornamentation-177859)
Considering that process, how would it effect institutional operation, function? Excessive protocols, irrational agendas, vice?
Thus perhaps morality is unrelated to the natural development of fascist institutional stupidity – not the responsibility of the people at all, but ruining them without heart. The process is obviously terminal. Afterwards the surviving criminal persons (possibly the Great Men who actually knew and could) may be praised or hanged, but that’s politics, not morality. Most Americans would probably not mind in the lest if the criminals were hanged, if they were properly informed. In the past, when they had some power, they sometimes did this, not that I have an opinion as to whether they were right or wrong. Ethics is at least a dual input “crunch”, so to say. Reality-perception-character in a tirade?
Actually I wrote a brief on this matter after the demolitions in NY and before B43 went to Afnamistan or Iraq…predicting more or less the history since then as it would run in the US. And it’s been on my mind since then.
To blame the ordinary schmuck for the crimes of individuals over whom he has no control or understanding, and only knows lies would be as immoral as blaming the dog for his master killing the children next door.
By virtue of character and opportunity and circumstance some US individuals are informed. A few were able to leave and join opposing States and nations. Since they have no agency, they chatter, or perhaps plot…who can say? (We garden, and take notes) The remainder are delusional and distracted and played one against another by experts skill un- imagined by Herr Gobbles.
But maybe I’ll change my mind…maybe the innocent are guilty. Calling Abraham…
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantYes, Dear, from the point of view of South, I agree, they may keep their lives. But like MacBeth, Die schicksalhafte „Lösung“ für die Nazi-„Neokonservativen“ selbst besteht darin, zu sterben. This seems to make the matter from the nazi point of view, existential. That is my logos. Perhaps MacBeth might have made another decision, but he was unwilling to do so. The Russian charity toward their obdurate and desperate nazi foe is the stuff of legends to be told…and that they may keep their lives but must chose to die is classical. They do face, quite explicitly, criminal charges and punishment…that alone must be entirely unacceptable to the nazi regime’s big actors and movers. And as Oh Bummer famously said, they face the pitchforks too. Or Bush 41, “lamp-posts”.
You’re very kind Dear, and you too, and all, indeed, let us all have a fine holiday weekend! I have “heavy lifting” in the garden to-day…moving hens to better “pasture” and schlepping bags o’ stuff, some concrete perhaps too . Perhaps the terrors will pass-over Anoxia…we chose it for that. It remains a Christian town with Christian villages and farms, plenty of fundamentals. Almost like Dighton Kansas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dighton,_Kansas (I worked the wheat harvest through there eons ago, and knew a lawyer there, and his family) Toe-headed boys hunting with their .22’s brought their game to the hotel kitchen, opened for harvest, and asked their mothers to cook rabbit. The hotel was a dollar a night….bath down the hall, but clean sheets and to high “Kansas Kraut” standards. The exodus and diaspora after 1848 an’ all of that – one reason I exist, though I can claim “son of American revolution” by blood.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantFriends, Brother AHH…
The dronekit criticism due to EW is, I think, well thought. After the fact they may claim “drone”, but training suicide pilots gives the game away, I think.
Listening to Hal T is a bit of a task, I’m afraid, but I want to know about his audience – what he thinks that they wish to hear. Since he worked for the political police as an informer-agent and now seems to continue as information agent at least from time to time… so it seems to me that somebody, possibly “retired” is feeding him information, and possibly steering a few bucks his way – his finance needs seem to me larger than his income – a general gut impression on my part – Hal seems to have a bit too much money for his enterprise. And some of his vitriol makes no sense to me, and that makes me think. Emotional fella, easy to manipulate… He’s not making sense when he speaks of US cities getting attacked, cities are not targets – the simitechnical Hal does not grasp the implications of accurate weapons. I’m also recalling Abraham’s stories…and the 10 righteous bit. In Strategic sense US cities post diluvium would “take care of themselves”… ketosis aplenty.
I too savored “Atlantis”. My lawyerish editorial critical eye did nail a contradiction there, though. The neocons are also waging an existential war. It is not an optional attack by neocons, but existential. Atlantis by it’s very foundational nature must plunder or die, she’s past retreating, having cast the die in the creek when they stole the 1960 election by rifle fire in ’63, and done past doubt with the demolitions after Bush/Gore went to court, even though established law prohibited USSC from entering into political matters – that election and the Court “decision” was baldly illegal. Orientis imperia dedenda et voranda, ut aliter Roma in pulverem convertenda est. Atlantis is getting somewhat friable these days. (that’s a pun, I guess)
in ’63 my German coach and I discussed the murder – she had lived through the overt German Nazi period prewar in Germany, and, Jewish, had escaped to UK with her mother, whom I also knew slightly. And with her husband (a combat vet and also Jewish and a PhD chemist flogging lab-grade “IG Farben” chemicals to make a living)…they three knew a political murder when they saw one. I did not, naive kid. When they shot the patsy, however, even I knew. Once a cohort makes the matter one of murder the die is cast to follow a way of life determined by murders past and present, as esteemed Lady and the ever circumspect Billy have shown. Of course they failed their Shakespeare classes…and became players in a cruel farce. Some say the Lady C is running the Ohbummerdude who’s running the senile guy. I suppose so… In ’63 too, I was shooting every day on a team, and knew immediately that a bolt action rifle could not have been the sole weapon in Dallas. Accurate rifle fire is slow. Inaccurate rifle fire gives away your position. There was obviously a conspiracy. From a decent vantage point it was an easy shot…but not from the proffered locus, ergo> “grassy knoll” time… drum roll.
It’s just an editorial criticism, the argument stays valid, imho. Things slip past.
Pleasant weather @ Anoxia, and a day of yard sales and tooling ’round on the old bikes looking to find small treasures – mostly as an excuse to see. See nice people and chat, sometimes actually discover wonders. The ordinary people are, though Protestant, devout and decent…as you know. And they’re dismayed at what they see, but don’t understand. Sadly too, many are ill. Noting that illness mostly fixes itself with physical work and occupations combined with wholesome food… The rural roads lead by yardsalesign to places set away in the trees on long dirt roads and people I’d otherwise never meet. Pretty girl and pretty old ladies, nice old men with weathered hands from a life of honest labor. Quite a manichean contrast between the people and the media simulacrum. Yesterday I bought for a dollar a magnifying glass that belonged to a doctor who practiced hereabouts over a hundred years ago. Made in Germany about 1870 I judge, nickle plating still pretty…Mrs P will use it in her sewing.
Time to go…
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantRecalling Comrade Orwell and “newspeak”… The Hal Turner, poor fella, is about to begin… his site shows> “The possible transfer of nuclear weapons to Ukraine from the West will cause a preemptive strike by Russia, said Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council.” Geewhiz. I hope old Joe likes surprises.
Seriously, it does seem like an inflection point in the conflict. Bigbigholiday in US people make it 4 days or more and burn lots of fuel, while eating too much. And they say the key finks are all hiding in a cave-city… do we smell a rat yet?
Interesting lady interesting talk> https://youtu.be/HrUXeOwPcHE (Kampfjets statt Frieden – Eskaliert jetzt der Stellvertreterkrieg?)
Gotta run. Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantI tend to agree about the narrative shape and Barbarossa 2.0. @ Chronicle I posted the url for a YT video from a pilot trainer (in Amerifrench, sorta)…the fellas are going on a one way trip at low altitude alone…which sounds like a special delivery suicide job…only one kinna bomb would make sense to these nutters…and that’s assuming the pilots are real. There’s a drone kit for F16’s
It’s nice to know where the European Nazi HQ is, since they lost a shipment. I suppose some schmuck will be punished for losing it, or some Police Chief who failed to stay bought…
In my circle of old pals there is an retired appraiser – these fellas are licensed and professional in our arena. He gives a new list of verboten words from a management company> Long list! Some people are really bizzarro 4th Reich stuff.!
List> “… hilarious, absolutely serious. Typical communication from the comp…” (note the low standard of spelling! I used to know a judge who remembered the nazis in Vienna and the way they too forbid words, and even motion and gestures in entertainment. And a lady who was in Vienna when the Red Army liberated the city – a Jewish lady, btw…who said the soldiers behaved well enough.
It is forbidden to use the following words>
Pregnant
Pride
Pride Of Ownership
Projects
Public Assistance
Public Housing
Puerto Rican
Queer
Race
Racial
Religion
Retired
Senior
Sex
Singles
Slum
Social Security
Spanish
Spouse
Students
Synagogue
Temple
Transgender
Transient
Undesirable
Undesirable Area
Undesirable Environment
Undesirable Location
Undesirable Market
Undesirable Neighborhood
Unmarried
White Woman
Women Young
Aordable Neighborhood
African
African American
Age Alaska Native
American Indian
Asian
Baby
Bad Credit
Binary
Bisexual
Black
Blind
Buddhist
Bullets
Catholic
Caucasion
Cheap
Childbearing
Children
Chinese
Christian
Church
Citizen
Colored
Crime
Crime-ridden
Crippled
Cuban
Daca
Deaf
Desirable
Desirable Area
Desirable Environment
Desirable Location
Desirable Market
Desirable Neighborhood
Disabled
Discrimination
Diverse Economical
Ethnic
Ethnically
Ethnicity
European
Exclusive
Female
Food Stamps
Foreign
Foreigner
Fraud
Gang
Gay
Gender
Gentri‑cation
Ghetto
Good Location
Good Neighborhood
Grati
Handicap
High Crime
Hindu
Hispanic
Hoard
Hoarder
Hoarding
Homeless
Homogenous
Homosexual
House Of Faith
House Of Worship
Illegal Immigrant
Indian
Inexpensive
Integrated
Integrated Community
Islam
Islamic
Japanese
Jewish
Latino
Lesbian
Lgbtq
Low Cost
Low Income
Status
Married
Maternity Leave
Mature
Mexican
Middle Eastern
Mosque
Muslim
National Origin
Nationality
Native
Native American
Native Hawaiian
Negro
No Pride Of Ownership
Non-binary
Old
One Parent
Paci‑c Islander
Paternity Leave Poor
Poor
Mr P
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History rhyming. One may suppose that intrepid Mr Zee might want to more to Peru…How amusing. And pathetic.
Mr P
ParticipantYes, my Friends, things do seem to be picking up speed, and “weird state of war” is about what I thought too. The business seems to change shape very rapidly.
Turner goes on that 50 senators (all Democrats) and their short list families are supposed to report to some vast underground “cities” (caves?) no later than Saturday.
The NATO “ukrainian” counterattacks seem to be direct attacks on Russia.
Turner goes on too about sabotage of digital nets, ostensibly by China.
Things may go poof anytime.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantThis article seems relevant to the matter of delusions and dope> https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/05/25/cia-officers-admitted-the-agency-ran-drug-traffic-during-indochina-wars/
A bit of Burroughs I did not know> “The Place of Dead Roads (1983), called “the backlash and bad karma of empire.””
“Valentine’s memoir provides an important “critical analysis of how Western imperialists impose their will on foreign nations,” with a “focus on the ‘dark arts’ of religious propaganda and CIA psychological warfare (psywar) and drug trafficking operations during the Cold War, and how they ultimately corrupted America—”
No surprises, but details quite dark. It’s the Tar Baby lesson, we might say.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantAh! Yes, “deliberate” provocation, and silly. Indeed childish. Under stress people become. sometimes, children. “…This is the mentality of the childish neocons, with absolutely no regard for implications or consequences of attacking the homeland of the premiere nuclear power. ” Of course the neocons (nazis in my view) lie. This is their trade, deception. Burroughs, who studied America and the Classes there, and knew the darkside, accurately observed that such experts were themselves victims of their own deceptions, and thus ultimately failed, holed upon the shoals and foundered by their lies. The one mark that can’t be beat, the mark inside.
Recalling the Great Military Strategist Colon Powell> “You don’t use Ambien? Everybody here uses Ambien.” (That particular drug is, they say, now passe and replaced by several similar substances.)
Of course the systemic structures filter out the competent in favor of the nuts who serve as slaves to evil masters, but given the reality, I’d bet they’re all on dope. (I do not discriminate between the official and the criminal dope dealers, and doubt that these fine gentlemen scruple to avoid the cocaine, but they believe that they’re “just fine”.)
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Considering Abraham’s argument – Sodom-Gomorrah, the story does not speak of the country folk, does it? Recalling “The Unpleasant Profession of Johnathan Hoag” . Much later, the older Abe “gets up early” to sneak away before Sarah twigs to the plan – and fails to argue. God intercedes of course, and never bothers to waste time chatting with Abe anymore. Guy’s past it. Noting that the criminal grip upon the Hegemon consists of a dendritic network characterized by nodes. These naturally might seem attractive to a countering force. Most of the US consists of misinformed but nice people. The period of re-adjustments would be pretty rough though. Hard work and poverty with plenty of death. If the war comes to MacBeth’s Castle, these nodes… Well. The Time will become free… (Old Bill knew some stuff!). Dope dreams not withstanding, nobody can stop Time for more than a moment.
The hysterical Mr Turner – who claims that the Hegemon is insisting that the F16 flying machines must be those rigged for nukebomb drops – is terribly naive, I think. But probably right, too, about this insistence.
Helmer, who speaks of NATO exercise (attack) beginning 12 May, and Turner, may be a bit off…everybody like a surprise, don’t they? I wonder if the schedule is as advertised…or maybe the dates are also a deception.
I like the “go to the Devil” jab too.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantYes indeed. A coordinated diversion-attack. More accurately a false flag criminal conspiracy to violate art 1 of the NATO treaty, and the UN Charter, and US law. Cute too! The onsite persons liquidated at the locus in quo have been identified as nazis, it’s said. Recalling “schlagwortnazi” and the class connotations.
I see that the elder Alex says “geopolitical f up” today @ about 21:13 locals/duran.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantThe title picture with which this segment began is especially fine. Thanks very kindly!
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Having an interest in the “esthetic” of guns (Heaven knows why!) the new “deployed” in 404, “2S35 Russian self propelled cannon, struck me as an interesting modern example of how guns have evolved. Note that the rate of fire is now said to be 16 RPM. The range and technical specifications of the “152 mm” (or nominal 6 inch) are probably somewhat similar between the USN 1930’s “6”-47″ and the gun on 2S35.
Here’s a bit about the two examples.>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S35_Koalitsiya-SV (take cum grano salis)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-47_mk16.php (Do take a look at what was involved in feeding and aiming the navel gun, and consider that it’s “miniaturized” to an astonishing degree.)
The modern machine mounts a gun roughly equivalent to the cannons used on WW2 US Navy Cruisers, and it’s an autoloader.
The Gunners out there will want to argue about details. It’s just a rough comparison illustrating the changes, and the sober reality of kinetic events. Significant because they can never be taken back.
Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantI agree that Mr Z is a sodomite. And I note the close associations between theater and dope and a multitude of vices. In a sense he’s a victim. I’m serious, he ought to fly to Moscow and take what comes. Imagine the scandal!
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Speaking of the bigbigplans Yankeeman has for China…
https://archive.ph/tzoZA (“The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan… Stalin Did” / Foreign Policy)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchuria_Operation_map-en.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War [and old archive]
https://archive.ph/vUGMv (in case things “change”, as Winston might be at work)
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/152086 (written in May 2013)
Japan, of course, had big undefeated army in China/Manchuria…
(I often wonder if my old employers had the pleasure of fighting the Red Army there)
Best!
Mr P
ParticipantI agree that the acting president is a pervert. And note that theater and actors and vice and drugs are a set. He’s a victim, as well as a criminal, and desperate… I’m serious he ought to fly to Moscow and take what comes.
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About Plans for China, USSR did some work there, a rhyme, perhaps.
“The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan… Stalin Did” (Foreign Policy 2013) @
https://archive.ph/tzoZA#selection-1335.0-1335.40
Soviet Japanese War > https://archive.ph/vUGMv [and new] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War
Old essay> https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/152086
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Best! P
Mr P
ParticipantI agree that the acting president is a pervert. And note that theater and actors and vice and drugs are a set. He’s a victim, as well as a criminal, and desperate… I’m serious he ought to fly to Moscow and take what comes. As to the “camp” nature of things..well! Everyone knows. At one time Mrs P worked in theater, opera, mostly, costume and so on. When Hollywood shoots a commercial the caterers include an entire array of drugs, something for every taste. Smart people learn fast though…and some are not bright.
“Acting President” was, speaking of sexual types, the term Gore Vidal used for the rather dull-witted Ray-gun. (well, that’s what his friends said about him)
About Plans for China, USSR did some work there, a rhyme, perhaps.
“The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan… Stalin Did” (Foreign Policy 2013) @
https://archive.ph/tzoZA#selection-1335.0-1335.40
Soviet Japanese War > https://archive.ph/vUGMv [and new] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War
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Old essay> https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/152086
http://space4peace.blogspot.com/2023/05/chinas-diplomacy-is-getting-red-hot.html
Best! P
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