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Mr P
ParticipantSpeaking of shame, and “dubious associations” that might appear….well, treasonous” Associations somewhat aligned with Angleton’s (another fat boy film? or simple bribes? )
Is Trump On A Leash Of Some Sort? – by Mark Wauck
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/is-trump-on-a-leash-of-some-sort
Geewhiz, yatink?
Mr P
ParticipantThanks emerson! I don’t know if it was photoshopped of not. Either way… Tell the truth and shame the devil… maquakerblood runs that way
Speaking of shaming the devil… Ron has a long and detailed essay.
https://www.unz.com/runz/how-israel-killed-the-kennedys/
an excerpt> “As Piper documented in his book, Angleton’s Mossad ties were so strong, he has sometimes been seen as a Mossad asset, and after his forcible retirement in 1975, the Israeli government took the step of awarding him singular honors it never extended to any other American intelligence officer. According to Seymour Hersh and other highly-regarded writers on intelligence matters, Angleton secretly provided the Israelis with technical nuclear information during the late 1950s and 1960s.”
Not just data, “poot”… enriched stuff stole JFK had to be removed… It seems that the murder and cover ups and following murders were all part of the “get bomb-plan-Israel” Angleton the traitor was vital. I wonder how they got to him…sex with a fat boy, film at 11…??
Dovetails in degree to https://sonar21.com/deep-state-still-desperate-to-suppress-the-facts-about-the-assassination-of-john-f-kennedy/
Mr P
ParticipantCrazy men driven by circumstance often do crazy violent things. Just because a Plan is crazy and won’t produce the imagined outcome is not a reason to ignore it.
Would Russia respond to a nuke attack on Iran? (above discussion)
Quote> “The scenarios under which Russia could theoretically use nuclear weapons are outlined in Russia’s military doctrine and the “Fundamentals of State Policy in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence.”
According to the documents, this is possible in the event of aggression against Russia or its allies using weapons of mass destruction or aggression using conventional weapons, when the existence of the state itself is threatened.” https://sputnikglobe.com/20240925/putin-nuclear-triad-remains-key-guarantee-of-russias-state-and-citizen-security-1120286442.htmlIran is in an alliance with Russia, iirc 😉
“Would Russia risk war with… Or would the US risk war with….” These are silly questions. They are at war.
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Film “come and see” https://archive.org/details/come-and-see-english-subtitles
Mr P
ParticipantDie „braune“ oberste Anführerin
😉Mr P
ParticipantSometimes, I admit, the rhymings of history have a sour note, nevertheless they rhyme…so? Fat Boy’s chattering about “resort development” in Crimea and Gaza (!) ring a slight echo in the megalomaniacal construction of Prora. The vast beach resort…brought, almost, into existence by a previous nazi gang…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prora
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I see that the nazi stooges in zone 404 are now considering exploding the nuclear stations that they control. That might invite the seizure of those plants in order to prevent their sabotage. Is MI6 in the loop?
Mr P
ParticipantWearing hat of law professor> https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1903530185468596608
Lord Bebo on X: “🇺🇦🇷🇺 Putin suggests that after a country joined the Soviet Union, it should leave it only with the same territories it had to begin with. Hence he suggests that Crimea, Odessa, Kherson and such are Russian.
Elsewhere… 😉 …

Mr P
Participantwiki on mines. Enough to curl yer toes 😉 Worth reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine
I’m thinking the Red Sea is just about ideal…and if anybody wishes to sweep mines, well, they’re an easy target. iirc the nazi navy has no minesweepers anyway. The Brits used to have some plastic ones. Persian Gulf is also pretty near ideal…not too deep, lotta reefs.
The engine fellas work below the waterline. Mines terrify them.
Mr P
ParticipantYes it may be piscatorial. Mere words. But when a fella goes to a job of squirrel huntin’ he may meet a bear, as the saying goes. So he takes tools for “bears”, especially if that all he’s got. Based on WW2 stories from shipyard guys, I suspect they can or can try to get 4 carriers in the zone, not fully shipshape, but present. They’re not especially rational. Not carriers, but I remember a story about Hood. Went to sea with the civilian turbine guys still onboard, then regrettable fate was met, of course. Same with civilians working at Pearl Harbor….they finished emergency repairs en-route to battle. Iran has been on the nazi agenda for decades…and I wonder how much control Agent Orange actually has, assuming he’s not in on the gag. Maybe mousetrap Fat Boy with fishy bait? It’s a pity the people pushing for world domination have no grounding in actual labor…it tends to dispel idiotic fantasies. iirc both Comrade Xi and Putin have done physical labor for wages. I remember that ww1 design floating or anchored mines were pretty effective… ya never can tell. And I remember that Iran has some very nice submarines… Submarines can carry mines… The nazis seem quite determined to achieve their own destruction. One may say possessed.
Irrelevant film> “Submarine I-57 Will Not Surrender (1959) Sensuikan I-57 kofuku sezu -Rare Japanese WW2 TSUBURAYA VFX – YouTube”
In warnews, zone 404…It was pointed out that the Russian suspension of attack on energy infrastruxure in 404 cost very little, as they have already destroyed most of it. There is a shortage of targets.
Mr P
ParticipantSome say not only Carl Vinson, but soon that Vinson Group will be followed by two more, presumably Ike and Lincoln. Unclear if Truman Group will depart, sink , 😉 or stay in zone. The implications are self-evident.
Mr P
ParticipantI note that comrade Pat’s associates (above) have shot-guns as well as rifles…
About these> Hunting Killer Drones With Your Father’s 12-Gauge? | ZeroHedge
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunting-killer-drones-your-fathers-12-gauge
(in famous USSC gun case “Miller” the opinion was that the plaintiff had failed to show that the shotgun, sawed off or not, was a military weapon… ahreckinz that his argument is now validated! )
Mr P
ParticipantAirplanes are fragile…and they fall from great heights! They remind me of the rule for infantry to avoid ridgetops and/or giving the enemy a silhouette to aim at. And I remember that modern radar makes “stealth” pretty ineffective… Rule, “if they don’t see you you’re probably sorta safe”
Agent Orange presses the magic button, makes bigbigjoke!
https://en.iz.ru/en/1857048/2025-03-20/trump-pressed-red-button-oval-office
Mr P
ParticipantIran war… yandex indicates war plan Iran has been in development for many years.
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=+iran+war+plan&lr=10777&clid=2270485&win=649
Remarking that the text of https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-nuclear-war-plan-for-iran includes this:
“One might find it extraordinary to think that nuclear weapons are even considered,” a retired senior military officer who has been briefed on the planning tells us, “but we have entered a new era.” (noting the “that was then and this is now” fallacy). In reality he’s saying that the nazis are going to use nuclear weapons, whereas before they did only twice.)
The officer says that a combination of factors — none of them precipitated by Donald Trump directly — have created a perfect storm to bring nuclear weapons back into the picture.
“Reintroducing nuclear deterrence,” the officer says, serves three purposes:
(1)To directly deter Iran from developing nuclear weapons (or then from using them).
(2)To convince Israel not to use its own nuclear weapons — that is, by making it clear that the U.S. equally would (or could) preempt Iran if something dire happened.
(3)To dissuade Saudi Arabia from perceiving that it has to develop its own nuclear weapons because Iran is doing so.(my numeration and bold)
Evidently the “officer” believes that there is no “nuclear deterrence”. That’s quite remarkable…following such opinion, the vast arsenals of Russia and of the US do not restrain anybody…gee whiz! Maybe he’s been sharing magic powder… (I’ve seen that in the Officer’s Club Latrine maownself!)
All three of his “reasons” work just as well as reasons for both Saudi and Iran going ahead and making bombs.
If Gaddafi had the bomb he probably could have avoided being murdered. The “war plan objectives are irrational.
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In retreat nazis destroy everything…
Comrade Pat…
Mr P
Participantoops! My bad, wrong thread… I beg forgiveness.
Mr P
ParticipantReply to https://sovereignista.com/globalsouthforum/topic/the-hearty-salon-12-march-2025-open-thread/#post-54211 (why Mars?)
Well that’s another question. The fellas who were going to do it are most all dead, and unavailable. The fellas who say they want to do it, with chemical rockets, give no clue, so far as I know. Maybe Mars is simply an excuse to spend and collect vast sums, and the fellas don’t care if they ever get there.
I can say my hunch…
There is a very deep canyon on Mars, at the bottom of which there may be geothermal heat and liquid water, even temperate conditions. The pressure, CO2 mind you is a heavy gas and Mars’ atmosphere is mostly CO2…the pressure at the bottom of this vast deep canyon may be 5 or more psi – if it is, a pressure suit would not be necessary, only an O2 mask. I’d like to see what’s living there. I have no serious doubt that there’s life on Mars, but what a place to explore!
The reason I wrote about Orion is that if Musk and his fellow travelers are serious about flying people to Mars, the general method is clear, fast, fairly cheap, and already pretty well researched by DARPA. Much of the work on the drive remains classified, by the way. It has to do, evidently, with focusing and collimating radiation, as well as controlling the radiation spectra from special atomic gizmos. I’m guessing gamma is the preferred radiation. Think “atomic shaped charge”. iirc the 500 ton model would fly to orbit with one, just one, 0.5 KT explosion…they intended to “blast off” from Rockey Flats, Nevada. One might object that Treaty Law prohibits atmospheric and exo-atmospheric nuclear explosions. I would point out that neither treaties nor laws seem to restrain the current establishment.
I am of opinion that a nuclear blast off from the ground might be avoided, and the ground blast might be chemical, , getting to 20 or 30 thousand feet before spitting out the 0.5 atomic charge. Once past the atmosphere I think they planned to used bigger gizmos. Anyway the fallout from a ground detonation could be minimal if they used chemical explosive to get clear of the dirt. I wonder how much nitro it takes to lift 500 tons to 30,000 feet… 😉
The evident deductive implication is that Musk and the fellas don’t really want to go to Mars, ’cause if they did, they’d a done it.
Mr P
ParticipantAt Chronicles inter alia the idea of colonizing Mars is raised. The criticism there of such an idea may miss the point. By limiting the idea to “colony” of a self sustaining character other possibilities are avoided. Getting to Mars surface from earth surface and landing a 500+ ton rocket, and returning and landing on Earth with the same giant rocket, may well be entirely feasible. It was planned. They even planned to take a bulldozer along.
see searchterm “project orion atom rocket”
Here’s one example of the findings> https://oriondrive.com/index.php
The drive system is, I admit, a bit messy. But there have been major improvements. Orion was going to use really crude systems. I note that such a spacecraft would be able to minimize radiation exposure due to both the shielding it carries, and due to the brief flight times. Radiation exposure with long flight times of chemical rockets and economical orbits is a BIG deadly problem.
But to Mars…If the trip is 6 weeks (it would be) and the payloads in the 100’s of tons, who needs a colony? A base could be supplied easily. Not, then, “colonization” but occupation… General Ripper, no doubt, and Werner too, would be joyous.
Do read the stuff on Orion, and bear in mind, that was then…
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