Hi Nico, thanks for your comment, and thanks for the encouragement.

“Everything is beautiful in its’ own way
Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter’s day
Everybody’s beautiful in their own way
Under God’s heaven, the world’s gonna find a way”

NOT EXACTLY.

What you are saying is an appeal, to “please let me operate within my own conditioning, and I will ignore your obvious foibles”. Let’s each respect our no-go-zones. Sure, people have a process, it’s either moving ahead, or stalled out in resignation, (is that provocative)?

I don’t tell anyone what their process is, nor what “works for me”. I only offer tools to take a look for yourself. Pick them up if you want to try. I think most people define their foibles as the normal human condition, and it stops there.  I also tell HOW.  Only in relationship,  but instead of  looking to understand the other guy, watch you own reactions to the other guy.  Figure out yourself.

You could make this more rigorous definition. Freedom is the total absence of conflict or reaction in your life. It can happen.

If you are conflicted, that is the sign that your world view is deficient. Why not look into it, at least with some of your attention? Or just live that way? Maybe you’re already doing it to the best of your ability?

But people are very transparent, by what they say and do.  It is evident by where you spend your time.

I just took a look at all of my Global South posts starting in October 2024.  They all lead up to this one, which is the culmination of what I have been saying (Know thyself). It has been an incredible odyssey of discovery in the moment, all triggered from one Global South link, and not from any claimed accumulated “wisdom”.  (It did resonate with my past experience though.)

It is all based on the premise that global society (all of them) are a perfect reflection of the individual (and collective) consciousness or mind-set held by each of us. Most people vehemently deny that.  Most people claim there is US and THEM, and it’s “THEM” who are victimizing us. WE ARE INNOCENT! Isn’t that what we are doing here, following so intently the news-cycle? That exact belief keeps it true in our life. (Frankly, this mind-set is leaking out of all the cracks, and is obvious to anyone who looks.) The factors that make it invisible are the justifications which I have fabricated; why, I can act in no other way.  They call it T.I.N.A.  It’s reaction, and if we have any proactive program of our own, it is on the back-burner. That said; just by where our time is spent.

I wrote that; It is impossible to know yourself in the abstract, in isolation.  That is what we are doing here together (bumping into each other), with the opportunity to notice our reactions to each other. Here I have supplied benchmarks of where to observe, I didn’t give them any plus/minus weighting. They are just empty categories .

I divided them into arbitrary time slots.  Although they are ALL collected in the past, held in memory, acted on in the present, and projected into the future.  I divided them because it is a long list, and difficult to visualize streaming down several pages.  But if they were all packed into paragraphs, you couldn’t separate them. Basically, I wanted a scheme that would come up with three columns, to see them on one page.

AND IT WORKS

✓As I said, in the personal sphere, I have defined the future as important only when it becomes the present. That is, I am confident that I will handle it when it gets here.  (Of course, with greater projects, running a business, or a country, the future plans are important. You can’t improvise for the collective.)  But what that means for my focus; I have no worry nor fear that encroaches on my present time. A huge amount of emotional baggage is dismissed in an instant.  It is a big part of my “freedom”.

✓I also have definitions about my list from the past. I clearly see that it is counterproductive toward today, to rob my energy by ruminating over what can’t be changed. SO, I NEVER DO IT. We all lived as best as we knew how, and I am content with that observation. 

✓So what is it that “gets me” about my today’s list?  I do not identify strong feeling, (that is emotionalism) with strength and power, (although it may feel like I am more motivated by my irritations). That is a killer belief. So, most of that list is also held as counterproductive to freedom, to clear observation, and to tranquility in engaging with life.

The only sticklers are fairness, justice and punishment.  Somehow, those people that break the agreed upon behavior, (thou shalt not kill), need to be taken off of the street.  I am meeting violence with violence.  It is a contradiction, and I don’t have any other key to it.  My desire is that the wars will cease, but it seems like it will take a winner and a loser.  (A proxy war usually won’t end by simple negotiations. They are sponsoring it for an objective, and must achieve some of it.  We’ll see what is happening now, but don’t be swept away by false hope.)  Again, it’s the future, I have no hope nor hopelessness in this projection.

All of these traits are either justified by my world view, my religion, and my spiritual assessment, OR they are negated by these basic philosophies.  All of my reactive behavior, contradiction and conflict, is the result of my detrimental belief system.  (What else is there?)  It is in these beliefs where we have to clean out the stables. (Lots of horseshit to shovel out).

I have not said how to clean the stables.  But first is to observe the chaos. (Without justifying it.)  The key is in relationship.  We most likely think when we come together, we have to figure-out the other guy.  Surely, we have to navigate among these snags (other people), so we had better know what they are going to do.  We build an image based on our past exposure, and measure everything through that image.

The key and novel idea is that we are not related to the other to figure the “them” out, (that too), but we are relating to observe OUR OWN REACTION to them.  It is ourselves that we are observing in every occasion.  From that, we begin to see who we really are, and who we have come to be.

If you can’t see it, you must be automatically justifying it.  So that is the first hurdle.

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The beauty of what is written in this post number 20, is that you can feel it operating in your own life, if you look.  Don’t accept it as I agree, or I disagree.  You can actually test the hypothesis, and know for yourself.  Even on the more philosophical level, it is impeccable logic and rationality.  There is no loophole to refute it.

In either way, it will change your life.  The only thing that can prevent it is your sense of “sunk cost”, that you have employed your whole life doing the opposite.  Just give it up!

We have talked about ✓order and disorder, and then the ✓limitation of measurement.  Measurement implies comparison, distance and conformity, all which are ✓carried through thought.  Traditional meditation demands the control of thought.  Thought is ignited through comparison.  Without comparison, you start with a clean slate.

For instance, you know war is detrimental, but you still engage with it.  So that held knowledge (all knowledge) is powerless to change mankind.  We have mentioned the movement in psychological TIME.  I will attain, (with my willpower), ✓automatically creates a sense of future.  Where there is effort and will, there is always violence.

There is ✓very little space in your psychological structure.  Therefore, you set a direction to achieve, called freedom.  That ✓direction is what is limiting space.  When there is space, with no operation of the will, ✓there will be silence.  Natural silence, not fabricated silence.  You won’t even be aware of it, because the “you” is not there, so it is not recorded.  Is there something that is before the creations of the mind?  Nobody can talk about it, and it is not an experience.  But this is the description of MEDITATION.

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Hi Nico, and thanks for your comments. Just above I explained how I see thought is channeled by desire, built in the past, and then focused on what supports that past. All its discovery in that focus is interpreted, (and believed to be), a continuation of those old collected experiences. For all practical purposes, and within your particular symbolic model of the world, it is a continuation. Your virtual world marches forward step by step.

This virtual (thought based) world is also what you call everybody’s individual “path to growth”. That path is also a continuation, and the older it is, the more we call it sacred. But isn’t the vision of “truth”, (the essence of growth), a clean break-away from past conditioning? How do you find that break-away through the window of the known? You don’t, (at least in many millions of aspirants).

I never read about Krishnamurti’s training, but it is easy enough to find. I also have three journals, three short periods where he kept a diary of his strange experiences, and the many years of contractions (pain) in his body. Was that a result of his teaching, or in spite of his teaching? Everything we read or are told about religion or growth forms an expectation, a channel, that favors the recreation of that past. You can’t really stop all these potential expectations, but you can “sneer” at them, and take them “little or none” seriously.

EXPECTATION IS THE MOST DAMAGING THING you can hold in your path toward growth.

All spiritual masters tell you something about the goal. Nirvana or some such. You can’t know what it is, so all those goals are soaked in imagination. They are all expectation, with which you become convinced, I want some of that. That’s the “I” that you think that you are, and all gathered from yesterday. It is all just mundane desire. No matter what practice the master gives, your little “I” is lurking there to check if it is working. Am I doing it right? That is the poison that destructs any and all practice. It is egoic desire.

You and I met on your meditation essay. So what do you find in your meditations? Are you developing more thought and expectation? Are you basking in feelings? Whatever; you are aware. I mentioned above that awareness within the still-mind is very active. But it is limited to the here/now, the place and time where I exist, to reality. (Reality is that which is present with or without thoughts.) The still-mind cannot consider the past, visit psychological, ideological, religions or spiritual systems, nor project itself into the future. The only possible self-knowledge must check-in with the me that truly exists.

If Krishnamurti has a path, it can be boiled down to one suggestion. That the mastery of the mind is both about how to develop it, and how to use it; and then when it is not necessary, is when you can rest in still-mind. The still-mind is an anchor to the real you. With that anchor, you’ll never go astray.

THAT’S WHERE GROWTH IS.

So while visiting stillness, you see clearly the ranges of thought, past, future, and ideology and philosophy, and maybe you determine those are not your permanent hang-outs any more. You sort of get “fed-up” with that same old haunt, and it becomes uninteresting. From that, thought can drop by itself for prolonged periods. Although “more” is not better.   (Even during those times, beware of expectation, that now you are supposed to see broad vistas.) But anyway, those silent periods are there WITH NO DESIRE.

THINGS CAN HAPPEN in that fertile ground.  If you ever go there.

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Every religion, philosophy, or prescribed path to truth is based on the belief that talking about reality, (more thoughts), will eventually lead you to reality.  Has that proven true, “for the multitudes”?  If you carefully investigate many spiritual teacher’s “story”, (if they admit to it), their insight into reality happened when all the teaching and practices blew-up in their face, in the midst of confusion and despair. Perhaps reality can be apprehended only by directly observing “reality”, and not by thinking about it.

The all-abiding CONSCIOUSNESS may be true, but is it necessary?

And if so, for what and for whom is it necessary? It may be a need with Vedanta or the Buddhist, or with the individual who has a penchant for exotic cults; but is it essential for the ordinary human being just seeking liberation from conflict and sorrow?

If Consciousness is Life — and this is how we might see it — do I then still have to bother with a secondary term? Can I just use my attention, focusing on Life? For as little as I can avoid any awareness tied up in preoccupation with the word “Consciousness”, for what has been said about it, or in its name; it must be superfluous. On the other hand, if Consciousness is NOT the source of Life, but a mere fragment of it, a special discipline, or pattern of action, then it can’t even be true. It would be just another “ism”, an invention of the mind anxious and grasping to find security, or it may be merely an intellectual pastime, a hobby. In that case the question in the first sentence (is the concept consciousness necessary), would not arise at all. To enquire from a particular point of view, according to a certain-ism — whether Communism, Roman Catholicism, Vedanta, or any spirituality, it is immaterial — channeled in that single point of view, it is no enquiry at all; for what you will find, will in some way be dependent upon your premises, on your motives. Moreover, it is not Consciousness either. On the verbal level, if Consciousness is ✓ the “Nothingness of Life”, then what more is there is say! Then surely, the moment I utter one word about it — I have betrayed it, I have cut up the “Wholeness of Life” into my word pictures.

Truth has been twisted and stepped down, so that it was born, with its philosophies, its meditation exercises, enigma, riddles etc. It has been greedily snapped up in the twentieth century by the ennui intellectuals of the West, who are ever looking for some new stimulant, some new fad to cover up the barrenness of their minds and the emptiness of their hearts.  And so, it came about that the search

“to be conscious of consciousness”

became a factor in increasing the confusion in a confused world. The person who really clearly perceives this, is at once free from all flirtation with words. Having seen that all intellectualization, all speculative philosophy is a betrayal of what is true, he will have none of it.

The positive approach is building towards a goal.  The goal must come from borrowed thought, from touted wisdom.  It is just another rote-formula to mimic.

There are no steps toward discovery. 

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Hi Nico:  The kidney is not part of the unseen, so those two cells can easily agree.

In my last post, and in this one, I answered clearly your concern about being confused by words.   Do you remember that post where you asked me repeatedly “what are we talking about?”  Are you still projecting befuddlement?

What you have come up with is that I am always in thought and you are always in feelings.  To access the past, or the future (which is evolution), or the unseen, or to derive an action out of feeling, you must be 100% into thought.  The unseen does not appear here, by definition, not by speculation.   In those cases, you have no awareness left over to focus on your present life. (That is clear in this post above.) Every human being has 100’s of feelings every day, (me too, so I am not without feeling), why don’t we claim 100 messages from divine source?

But you have yet to clearly share your own path.  You intimate that “the unseen” sends you “feelings” that are not a normal feeling, that is, not a physical sensation just in the body, but a sensation of rightness.  You once said it was a “hunch” that you connected to the truth. Can you clarify how that connection is made?  (If I am off with this interpretation, I suggest that you have given “fuzzy” answers), and I am attempting to put them together.  You said that you might make a more succinct statement.  Please do.

I had asked how such a feeling is translated to action.  Can you give any example of a hunch that changed your mode of living?  What was the hunch, and what was your new action?  I am trying to understand your new way of operating.

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Does your system require a soul to function?  My system functions with or without a soul.  My soul can remain asleep, and I still live very well.  Have you met your “soul”? What did it tell you?  Will it take on another body?  What will be a continuous part of that new essence that you might identify with?  If you project certain needs, shouldn’t you know why you need them? Is that the reassurance part of your feeling structure?  The DESIRE for continuity is as old as humanity.  DESIRE is spawned by the Fear of death, or discontinuance.  Let’s not celebrate or build psychological edifices to that fear.  Thanks as always for showing up.

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Are these useful kinds of definitions to build communication on? (I said I would expand on these things. This as my opinion.)

What is inspiration?  I see it as coming from the life of another person.  Someone has an impressive biography.  “Well, I would like to emulate some of that.”  It is a form of imitation.  True, we can learn from another (or be inspired). But it may not work.  That’s because we will say that our circumstances are different, those were simpler times.  And you can no-longer get things done in that way.

What is intuition? That word ‘intuition’ could be a rather tricky word, which many use. It may be good, or the actuality of intuition may be the result of desire. How would you know if it was or wasn’t? One may desire something and then a few days later one has an intuition about it. And one thinks that that intuition is extraordinarily important. But if one goes into it deeply one may find that it is based on desire, on fear, or on expanding various forms of pleasure or satisfaction. So one is doubtful about that word, especially when used by those people who are rather romantic, who are rather imaginative, sentimental and seeking something in life. They would certainly have intuitions, but they might be based on some obvious self-deceptive desires.  Desire is a connection to the past, it’s not expansive, but it’s regressive. For the moment let’s put aside that word intuition with certain doubts.

The word ‘insight’ is to see into things, into the whole movement of thought in the moment; into the whole movement, for example, of jealousy. It is to perceive the nature and structure of greed, to see the whole content of sorrow. It is not a step-by-step analysis, not the exercise of intellectual capacity, nor is it the result of knowledge. There might also be a desire to perceive something, but a content or focal point in thought is NOT there. Knowledge is that which has been accumulated through the past from experience, stored up in the memory. There is no complete knowledge, therefore with knowledge there is always ignorance, like two horses in tandem. But if observation is not based on knowledge, nor on intellectual capacity nor reasoning, exploring and analyzing, then what is it?

Observation is: to perceive something in the moment, which must be true, logical, sane, rational. Insight must act all at once. It is not that one has an insight and does nothing about it. If one has an insight into the whole nature of thinking, it’s the observing without remembrances, without argumentation, pro and con; it is just to see the whole movement and nature of it, then there is instant action.

Thinking is the response of memory. Memory is experience, it is knowledge, stored up. Memory responds: where do you live?—you answer. What is your name?—there is an immediate response. Thought is the result or the response of the accumulation of experience and knowledge, stored as memory. Thought is based upon, or is the outcome of knowledge; thought is limited because knowledge is limited. Thought can never be all-inclusive; therefore, it is everlastingly confined, limited, narrow. Now, to have an insight into that, means that there is an action which is not merely another repetition of thought.

Have an insight, for example, into the wounds and hurts that one has received from childhood. All people are hurt for various reasons, from childhood until they die. There are these wound in them, psychologically. Now, have an insight into the whole nature and structure of those hurts.

You are hurt, wounded psychologically. You may go to a psychologist, analyst, psychotherapist, and he may trace why you are hurt; from childhood, your mother was this, and your father was that and so on, but by merely seeking out the cause, the hurt is not going to be resolved. It is there. The consequences of that hurt are isolation, fear, resistance, defense, so as not to be hurt any more; therefore, there is self-enclosure. That is the whole movement of being hurt.

The hurt is the image that you have created for yourself, about yourself. So as long as that image remains you will be hurt. Now, to have an insight into all that—without analysis—to perceive the whole structure instantly, then that very perception is the insight; it demands all your attention and energy; and in that insight the hurt is dissolved, it is digested. That insight will dissolve your hurt completely, leaving no mark, and therefore nobody can hurt you anymore, related to that. The image that you had created about yourself no longer exists.

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