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March 8, 2024 at 07:52 in reply to: The Cornucopia โ Art, Music, Poems, Creative Stories, Myth, & Glories, 22.2.24 #26933
archeon
ParticipantDimitar, brother, wordsmith, poet.
Doing what what we can
The best we can.
One day at a time.
Perfect.
archeon
ParticipantSurvival and food hoarding.
In times of food rationing food hoarding becomes a crime. No matter that you stocked up in times of plenty and likely advised others to do the same, your food hoard becomes a resource for the community who did not take precautions and they will pass laws and confiscate any “excess” food they find. Neighbors will be encouraged to spy on one another, committees will go door to door asking how much food, fuel and medicine you have. In the UK during WW2 people were prosecuted for giving milk to cats, 2 million pets were culled 750,000 in one week alone because there was not enough food to feed everyone much less pets. I agree that great effort and sacrifice is required in troubled times, a community effort will always produce greater benefits than every man for himself. If my house is on fire I expect help from the community as I wouldย help others.
However I have no intention of following everyone else as they jump from the edge into the abyss. Let them have what you have in your kitchen, never let them even suspect that you have a secret stash and defend it with your life if you have to.
archeon
ParticipantMr P, cats, arthritis and women who have domesticated us, we have so much in common although I envy your time in boats, somehow I never got around to fulfilling that dream. About 8 or 9 years ago I went to the doc for more powerful painkillers and came out with an opioid addiction. Our generation trusted doctors, we were like lambs to the slaughter, as the opioids destroyed our minds they loaded us up with sleeping tablets or antidepressants to mask the symptoms, all the while denying that their prescriptions were causing the problem. About 1 in 3 UK residents are on, or have been on psychotropic prescription drugs including many children. Many of the rest take recreational drugs including booze, how did we come to this?
I have been clean for about 4 years, I have not had a drink since 20, drugs never interested me although weed helped with addiction and I still have a joint right before bed, it helps with the pain. I have not been to see a doctor since, obviously I did not take their COVID jabs although if I broke a leg or something simple, well they have a monopoly on healthcare, it is illegal for vets to treat humans. We buy drugs like cortizone (for psoriasis and other autoimmune conditions)ย direct from India and will build up a stock of antibiotics and other common drugs by this method although it is illegal.
Enough gloom and doom, what a privilege it is to be alive at this moment in history, to have the internet, to absorb the information it brings, to communicate with interesting folk from the world over and discuss events of the day. To read the good literature, watch the sunrise on mars or exchange tips on survival, witness this Existential Clash of Civilizations or listen as deep thinkers discuss free will. To endlessly speculate about who or what created this universe and why, do we die and awaken in some other reality, or not. What else would we do with life except be astonished at the sheer awesome knowledge that there is something rather than nothing. How are these few billion cells in our head producing consciousness, questions to which we will never know the answer, life is good.
archeon
ParticipantEmersonreturn, Skara brae residents must have been very spiritual people to have spent so much time erecting their stone circles and burial chambers with such a small workforce. I find it interesting that the first thing a visitor saw as they entered the door was the woman’s stone display cabinet with all her treasure in pride of place.ย I wish we knew more.
archeon
ParticipantMr P, I see in another post you have fallen for the carpenter propaganda, as a 4th + generation bricklayer allow me to set the record straight Emersonreturn mentions Scara Brae, 5,000 years old and still standing, the Pyramids, castles, cathedrals and the old structures of antiquity were all built by Stone masons/bricklayers. Until quire recently bricklayers would set out a building, dam, canal, aqueduct or whatever, lay the foundations and build the superstructure, then we would allow the carpenters to do the unskilled work of roofs, doors and windows etc. They would not even have the steel for their tools if we had not invented kilns and furnaces in which to produce iron (my specialty). Even glass has a melting point higher than steel and must be contained in brick.
The free masons piggybacked on our success and appropriated our trowels, hammers and measuring tools as part of their cult because we were so successful. Ever since Noah (a carpenter) built that ark the carpenters have been running this propaganda that they saved the world. But I ask you, where is that ark today? If they had built it out of stone or brick it would still be around. Carpenters have always had this inferiority complex because stonemasons/bricklayers are the oldest profession, suggestions that we used our wages to get drunk and pay for the services ofย the 2nd oldest profession have never been proven true. I hope this sets the record straight.
archeon
ParticipantMr P, you keep coming up with these interesting tips which I write in my book of things worth writing down, kerosene lamps and a supply of fuel will be on my shopping list, thank you.
About half of the incomers who settle on our island leave within 3 years, many others sold homes in expensive areas, bought cheap here, spent the profits and can no longer afford to go back. Mid winter we barely get 6 hours of sunlight, the wind rattles the roof slates more often than not, we do not get much snow because of the gulf stream, instead we get rain, rain, rain. In the summer we get midges, small biting insects that drive everyone indoors. there is also the plague of RVs, great lumbering beasts with inexperienced drivers whoย think letting anyone pass them on our single track roads would diminish their manhood. My wife goes out twice a week for her craft club or lunch with friends the rest of the time we hibernate, not sleeping but self contained. Everything we need to be content is this side of the gate.
At the bottom of the croft there is the ruins of an old German Monastery, much raided by Vikings in the old days, or so the story goes. There are ruined castles, brocks, (stone towers) and ancient deserted villages where the peasants were herded onto ships bound for America or Australia. Their descendants come to see where some great, great grandparent came from and find their roots.
My wife and I both have family connections here and spent long and carefree school holidays swimming in the frigid waters and exploring the rock pools , her father grew up less than a mile from away. Life is good.
archeon
ParticipantSurvival and Civilization.
AHH used the term “civilizational suicide” and whether we do or do not commit some great act of collective suicide,ย undoubtedly we have the means to do so. For all or most of our lives we have lived under the threat of nuclear annihilation without the collective wisdom to disarm ourselves. For every dollar spent on peace we spend a thousand on bigger bombs and better delivery systems.
CRISPR gene editing has the power to help many, but it also turns bio-weapons into a cottage industry as barriers such as training, access to equipment, and costs make the science more accessible. There are 440 nuclear reactors in the world, who will maintain them if civilization collapses or will they all pop like Fukushima? AI or a computer virus that wipes out everything connected to the internet, Loss of national electricity grids, etc, there are now multiple threats to civilization. These threats are like a circle of domino’s, it does not matter which falls first, eventually it will knock over all the others.
We are such a clever species that we can weaponize any innovation and are so competitive that we invariable do so. As a species we walk around with a loaded pistol aimed at our head, this is insane. We have become an insane species. If we discovered an alien species with enough weapons aimed at themselves to wipe them out we would know that their future is likely to be a short one. For 75 years we have only increased our ability to destroy ourselves with no serious attempt to step back from the abyss
Cleverness is the ability to take the energy contained in an atom and unleash its destructive power, wisdom is knowing that this is not a good idea. When civilization collapses we would be bloody fools to start another before learning to discover which ideas are merely clever and which are wise.
February 29, 2024 at 17:29 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26555archeon
ParticipantMr P, this old laptop has a deep dent across the keyboard, the base is distorted and wobbles although it still works despite constantly warning me that windows 7 is no longer supported. Childish tantrums are my usual response to technology that does not instantly obey my commands, my wife holds her smartphone to show me stuff lest the screen flip flops and I break it. Hammers, chisels, picks and shovels I understand, technology I leave to intelligent fellows like you, I do wish you lived closer.
Last seasons potato’s were my most successful yet although the cabbages etc were eaten by slugs of which we have a plague. I bought 5 ducks and have 2 left, as you say they are very efficient at pest control. Each evening they lay eggs and eat the food left out but otherwise I never see them, I will get another 5 this year and try to stop them from going feral. Every morning I have duck eggs for breakfast, all attempts at drying chicken eggs into powder have failed so far, my wife gives them to ladies with whom she has lunch. It is May before the ground is warm enough for planting most crops, I have plenty of time to think of chores I should do but won’t.
Your lifestyle sounds like The American Dream, not the commercialized version, the one people have always yearned for, a place to breathe and dream and grow, as you say, to watch the freak show without being sucked into it. Even the motorcycles, bald eagles, deer, bears and lions, Salmon streams and Beaver, open season for hunting, miles of nature reserve, rugged canyons, We read about it in books, watched the movies, listened to the music as we huddled in our over crowed cities, thank you for sharing that. It pleases me to know that there are Americans like yourself who still live the dream, it receives so little attention in the media, all is consumed with the freak show.
For decades farming here was about chasing EU subsidies and trying to follow endless new regulations, the result is appalling, I have not seen a field of grain or a combine harvester for years.There is far more money to be made from a few accommodation pods or a spare bedroom on Air bnb.
Of my few neighbors one went to Poland for her sons wedding another to Russia, both in the last few months and both young couples are back here, one girl is pregnant and the other is trying. A Russian women with 3 kids came here to marry a local boy who died on her a year later. She stayed, learned English, worked minimum wage jobs, slept on a couch and rented out her bedroom to tourists and put the children through university. Last year she bought a house to let out and is planning to buy another, it is her son who married in Russia and who’s wife is pregnant. We have immigrants from Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Asia, all over, they are like a breath of fresh air.
February 29, 2024 at 14:17 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26552archeon
ParticipantEmersonreturn, I am not a kind soul, there would be no retirement home for you. When your new community has learned every moral and philosophical lesson you have to give and when your hands are too weak to tend, mend, cook, clean, heal, peel etc I would have you use your final well deserved rest to show how to face it with acceptance and dignity.
Post apocalypse, if it comes to that, should we live off the corpse of a dead civilization, try to revive it, or will we all be Amish? Oil and science or horse and buggy? Doctors and pharmaceuticals or healers and herbs?
The pebble that changes the course of the stream and therefore the river system has to be at the very beginning where small changes have big effects. We patriarchs have had our chance and made a mess of it, now will be the time of the matriarchs, you are a matriarch.
February 28, 2024 at 16:25 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26497archeon
ParticipantEmersonreturn, if the worst happens young women will be the ones who will give birth to a new reality and young people are just not very wise, as we were unwise at that stage in life. With age comes experience which leads to wisdom of a sort, at least to a few, as I see it you are one of those few. How would you guide those young women who find themselves adrift in a world where all moral and social landmarks have been swept away?
We can assume that survivors have mastered the basics of food and shelter, but then what? Religion, Socialism, Communism, Capitalism, Egalitarianism, Monarchy, think of the possibilities. They will have a clean slate to write a future for their children unburdened by the old order. How will they recognize wisdom if theyย themselves have not yet acquired the wisdom of experience?
Do not be in such a hurry to rush out the door, even if they will not listen to the voice of experience as we did not listen at that age. Still there were voices of experience and wisdom who understood and found a way to plant seeds in young minds, that is the proof of wisdom. Those seeds germinated in our minds when we were ready to understand the message, now it is our turn to replant seeds. We can not send a message back to our younger selves but I think we owe it to ourย species to leave a trail of breadcrumbs that others may follow. Your best years may yet lay ahead of you.
February 27, 2024 at 19:22 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26429archeon
ParticipantMr P, I wish you lived a little closer, while I will sit here in splendid isolation frustrated at the lack of information, you will be reaching out on your ham radio, connected to whoever remains.
As you say there may be bandits, but I fear hungry women and children more. The bandits will always find easier, safer pickings elsewhere, not sure I could refuse a hungry child. Not that there are many, all have fled to the bright lights for the jobs and excitement, perhaps they will return. We have an advantage on our Island, the coast is rich in edible seaweed and shellfish, every tide exposes a banquet if you know what to look for, few do but they can learn. Iodine, good tip that I will investigate andย buy. My shed is twice the size of the house and of solid construction, plenty of space for all the dumb pieces of steel like hammers, axes, picks etc. Everyone else has been throwing them away and using power tools.
We have a stream 10 paces from the front door fed from foothills a mile or less away, for the first 100 years this stone cottage has stood here it was the only water supply, it should be enough. If you have not yet planted Russian comfrey may I recommend it? It has edible roots that reach down 8 feet and draws nutrients to the surface, I have planted hundreds, in an emergency they will keep us going and as you say root crops are less likely to be stolen.
My chickens are the ultimate scavengers, turning insects, weeds, kitchen waste and grain into eggs and meat, in a previous era every rural household had a few and when I lived in Africa I seen girls as young as 8 preparing them for the pot. They invariably made a stew with head, legs and gizzards all going in, nothing was wasted.
I have planted lots of willow for firewood although there are peat bogs at the bottom of the croft and that was the source of heat and cooking in these parts until quite recently. Old men have predicted catastrophe since god was a girl and mostly they were wrong, lets hope we are equally wrong. Pleased to meet you brother.
February 25, 2024 at 19:00 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26318archeon
ParticipantSurvival of our species.
Homo Sapiens have survived for at least 300,000 years or 15,000 generations. The Southern tip of Africa has been continuously occupied for all that time and the Bushman tribes are the last of the “hunter gatherers” in this region. They have a rich oral history of how their ancestors lived although much has been lost or bastardized by missionaries. They would not do well in a Western IQ test, but then again we would not do well in theirs. We imagine they lived short brutish lives but that makes no sense. Children who have short brutish childhoods become emotionally, intellectually and physically stunted adults. How could such people spread to every continent using only stone tools?
The only reason to evolve with a brain capable of producing consciousness, intelligence and the ability to think deeply complex thoughts is if you are conscious, intelligent and thinking deeply complex thoughts. That brain requires 20% of our calories to function, no creature couldย invest so much energy in something that was not paying rent. Why have a supercomputer between your ears if you are not using it to solve day to day problems? Every “primitive” tribe we know of has a far greater spiritual life than us, we call it superstition, scientists tell us that the Universe just appeared out of nothing. Archaic people knew of cause and effect, we are an effect for which there must be a cause, they called that cause god or the gods. They speculated endlessly on what the gods wanted from us and why there was something rather than nothing.
Our gut evolved and works best on a diet that is at least 70% plant based, this was the food most readily available to our ancestors. It was also the most easily processed and stored, there are no Homo Sapiens who do not store food for the lean times, it is what we do. Women had inherited a symbiotic relationship with plants from the Hominid’s. The plants attract animals who help spread their seeds, in return the animals get food. The bees pollinate the plants and the plants feed the bees. Herbivores eat young trees, killing them, this spreads the grasslands and the grass feeds the herbivores, it is how nature works. Our intelligence allowed us to take this relationship a step further, we aided our most useful plants by uprooting competing plants or some other cultivation method. Women did not wander around with a basket looking for something to eat, they had a calendar, knew where they were going and what ripe foods they would find there. At least 70% of our food and most of our medicine and cordage was collected by women, this gave them power within the tribe.
Good hunting or fishing territory was far less important than good gathering territory, it was women who decided where, and how, the tribe lived. It was women who controlled and allocated resources, they are the ones who controlled culture. That culture was formed from the important life lessons passed down through countless previous generation. Language, mating, resources, conflict resolution, stories, clothing, rituals, music, dance, everything is culture. We depend on the knowledge passed down because one generation could never learn on their own all the knowledge we need to survive.
The first farmers appeared 12,000 years ago and by 6,000 years ago more than half of us had adopted agriculture, for complex reasons this placed power in the hands of men. The peaceful Matriarchal tribes were pushed to evermore marginal lands by the far more aggressive farmers, a few still cling on but most perished. Our world wide experiment with science is about 15 generations old, we judge that this makes us far more intelligent than hunter gatherers. The future archaeologists, alien or some terrestrial species, who dig up our phones and bones may disagree. They will look at 95 % of our existence when we lived as a part of nature and the 5% when we lived apart from nature and conclude that modern humans are clever, ancient humans were wise.
We have invented most of our existential risks and our best brains work hard at improving their ability to extinct us . I work on a plan B, for any survivors who crawl out of the abyss, it is simple. Back to being a part of nature, leave women in charge, men have better things to do than telling everyone else what to do.
AHH, thank you for giving me a voice, you are a most gracious and tolerant host.
archeon
ParticipantMr P, the German story first and now this work of art that says so much with no words at all. As I go to prepare my potato beds my mind will be full of the seeds and possibilities you have planted there brother, thank you.
February 24, 2024 at 08:18 in reply to: The Cornucopia โ Art, Music, Poems, Creative Stories, Myth, & Glories, 22.2.24 #26246archeon
ParticipantSudhi, “an owl has taken flight”, was very good.
February 23, 2024 at 18:07 in reply to: ๐กโ๏ธ๐ ๏ธPrepping and Survival Board 22.02.2024 #26212archeon
ParticipantSurvival, just the very basics.
Could you survive for the next 100 days with what you have stored in your home? Whether you think the possibility that you may need to is likely or unlikely, no sane person could claim that nuclear war or some other disaster could never happen. So here is the challenge, the power grid has gone down. As a result you have no piped water therefore no flush toilet, no showers, no communication, no job, no banking, no retail stores, no transport, no emergency services, no health services. Your city, town or village has stopped receiving food supplies, you live off what you have or you slowly starve.
Survival is not about retaining your existing lifestyle. The only things of real value in this situation are clean water, food, shelter and security. Even gold is worthless to a starving family.ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย Here is a simple and inexpensive plan to make sure you will have at least food, heat, light and cooking.
Spaghetti, here is Scotland costs 33 pence per half kilogram for the cheap stuff, minimum wage per hour is about 40 times that, 20 kilograms for 1 hour basic pay, unbelievable. There are about 20 small portions in 1 kg of dry pasta, 20 kg = 400 portions. Buy dried beans, lentils, pasta sauce to go with it Throw in some cheap chocolate bars and a few tins of instant coffee. You will be malnourished after eating this diet for 100 days, but that beats starving.
Vegetable oil is cheaper than petrol, it will become your new best friend. It can be used for home made oil lamps and stoves, there are plenty of you tube videos on how to make them or you can just buy online. Vegetable oil is also high in calories and has a long shelf life. A small outlay now could be the difference between lighting an open fire where no fire should be safely lit with nothing to cook, or surviving.
Of course every ones circumstances differ, as AHH says there is plenty of information out there, for some people prepping involves moving from population centers and growing their own food. For most people this not feasible but they could accomplish the plan outlined above with adjustments for the size of their household, good luck.
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