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    • #62730
      AHH
      Keymaster


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    • #62740
      Mr P
      Participant

      Great economies achieved in the creation of blackmail material! Quiz Question: How can the innocent prove they didn’t do it?  (hint, they can’t and nobody will believe them if they can) Now That’s Progress!

      see....Zionist spies innovate AI sexual blackmail tech | Al Mayadeen English

      https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/zionist-spies-innovate-ai-sexual-blackmail-tech

      Includes fake surveillance camera action…no more missing minutes!

      Is this Raymond Shaw?

      2 sexy girls

       

    • #62756
      Mr P
      Participant

      Comrade Borzzikman say Spetsnaz captured alive MI6 officers and two high ranking officers of British Defense Department…Does “Buckhouse” know?  Will these illegal combattants, terrorists, be tried? Will they, like McCain (aka Jonny Wet-Start), make propaganda broadcasts, do contrite interviews on RT? Film at 11 ??? ….see…https://youtu.be/nN2fHBNJjYE

    • #62762
      Mr P
      Participant

      As I’ve said, Paulus interests me, and his experience suggests a pattern we expect to take place in nazizone404 attending the Russian victory… Thus with astonishment I discover 2 books and a video series that quote his diaries…A. Blank: The Second Life of Field Marshal Paulus and V. Markovehin: “Field Marshall Paulus: From Hitler to Stalin”  and here’s the url to the video, which seems pretty accurate…Paulus Returns Home: The End of The Story | Suzdal Camp Part V – see…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1qS7yg5uc

      The book titles are probably translation from Russian…as I do not upon a brief search, find them. They’re from the credits of the video…

    • #62786
      Mr P
      Participant

      In previous thread I pointed out that the Epstein stuff was Mossad…and that Iran just afore the 12 day war was reported to have made a vast score of Mossad files…we therefore assume that Iran has the Epstein stuff…and that Orangefella is being blackmailed by Bibi with the Epstein stuff…if Iran has the copies, best assume so do Ruski and Chin… Thus with some non-surprise we see…Middle Eastern Affairs on X: “Medvedev: Trump shouldn’t think that the video archive of his past immoralities is only in Mossad’s hands. 

      Very droll…https://x.com/Middle_Eastern0/status/1951699827961807151

    • #62787
      Mr P
      Participant

      Peacemaker on X: “🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦🇬🇧Britain is raging! Its officers were captured by Russian special forces in Ochakiv – Russian fighters penetrated the Ukrainian rear in boats… new details ‼️ During the operation, called “Skat-12”, British officers were captured helping Ukrainian armed forces guide

      Captured in flagrante delicto! 

      Sodomy? How very jolly, a good rogering, as they say!

      New details, very sordid I’m sure!

      “Russian Defense Minister Andrey Belousov intends to bring British officers to justice for taking part in military actions against [Russia] our country.”

      His Royalness may be displeased! Это война. Неужели англичанам это слишком сложно?

      https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1951349432353697887

    • #62802
      cronetoo
      Participant

      Back in June 2025, internationally recognized former UK Diplomat Alastair Crooke predicted Russia’s current response to Ukraine’s bomber attack, and gave a grave warning to Trump about the dangers of sabotaging peace.

    • #62811
      Nico Cost
      Participant

      The best alternative website in my country is FrontNieuws, and I regularly post links to articles I have ‘found’ there on this site in the Hearty Salon open threads.

      Complicity in the genocide in Palestine – the day of reckoning will come!

      Western politicians, propagandists, media lackeys, and others are also complicit in the genocide in Palestine. They still feel safe because they have gotten away with it so far. That won’t last forever.

      Andreas Mylaeus / Peter Hanseler

      https://forumgeopolitica.com/article/complicity-in-the-genocide-in-palestine-the-day-of-reckoning-will-come

    • #62814
      Mr P
      Participant

      Recalling the affiliation the nazi mind has for anniversaries, and taking into account the present movements of the war, let us remember the proximate anniversary of the two effects tests of atomic exploders on civilians …a splendid  demonstration that surely inspired Uncle Joe to hurry up the fellas  working for Kurchatov.

      Right Joe, no problem! Kurchatov on telephone

      6 and 9 August….when the only atomic secret worth keeping became public…the secret being that it could be done.

      And be done again…anytime.

      ……………

      Archive…How Black Rock Conquered The World : James Corbett : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive   (I dispute “conquered”… there is substantial reason to expect that the nazis will be defeated and their “great corporations” seized for their crimes…)

      Corbett>  https://archive.org/details/how-black-rock-conquered-the-world

    • #62817
      Mr P
      Participant

      Speaking of Black Rock…see…Deutschland ist die BlackRock-Speerspitze in Europa — “Werner Rügemer explains the long lead of the US influence on the economy in Germany and Europe. Meanwhile, BlackRock is one of the main actors in the De-industrialisation of Germany and in the continuation of the war in the Ukraine. Friedrich Merz is an important tool.” (Servile nazi stooge)

      https://rtde.rtde.world/europa/251934-deutschland-ist-blackrock-speerspitze-in/

      Speaking of the nazi drang nacht Osten…Ermordeter Generalfeldmarschall und die deutsche Ukraine-Gier — some historical perspective…On 30. In July 1918, a German field Marshal fell victim to a bomb. It is interesting, where it happened: in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital. What was the field Marshal there, and what that has to do with events today?… didjaknow the prenazikraut army held Kiev in 1918?     see…https://rtde.rtde.world/meinung/252116-mord-an-deutschem-generalfeldmarschall-und-die-deutsche-ukraine-gier/

      Sad funeral…Eichorn funeral berlin 1918

      “…the nightmare of the first German occupation of Ukraine disappeared largely without a trace four months later. At the beginning of December 1918, the German troops from Kiev withdrew, without any exchange of fire…”

       

       

      • #62820
        AHH
        Keymaster

        We can now safely say, given hindsight being 20-20 and the continuous resolute arc of Drang nach Osten since 19th Century, that it was German Policy since at least the reunification era of the Iron Chancellor to invade Russian lebensraum, put to the sword opposing fighters and the excess, and enslave the few survivors for new settlers to live off. Hitler’s failure never factored on the larger design, not by an iota.

        BTW, the disinvestment and deliberate deindustrialization of Germany at the moment, all attribution to Black Rock notwithstanding, is another metric of the hellish war expected to return to der Heimat. They expect EVERYTHING to be leveled, so why maintain, until afterwards? And it is easy to expect the coming Russian viciousness, given the bestial Barbarossa II they themselves intend to wage on Russian metropoles and civilians.

        It is also safe to say little, if any, man-built structure will stand west of the Urals, through to the Irish Sea. And the survivors will bemoan Putin’s cadre, as many still do of Stalin’s cadre, that they dithered in relocating the metropoles and essential infrastructure and industries east of the Urals yet again

        • #62830
          Mr P
          Participant

          One sad aspect of knowing what’s happening and being of age is that there are so few genuine surprises… Everybody loves surprises! West of Urals goes a long way…all the way to the Ozarks…maybe the Rockies, (or gasp!) the Sierras…but that’s not a surprise anymore…pity…

          …..

          Shout to Nico! Fine news source…thanks!

          ….

          Salty Sal in his naive innocence reports on:  US Awards $6.2 Billion to Run 51 Aged Ships in the Ready Reserve Force for the Department of Defense…see…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHsfDCWWcE

          These are probably steamships…turbines and boilers…they’ll have a steep learnin’ curve learning how to run them. The old fellers are gone.

          Ah! Some are motor, some are steam…he speaks of the SL-7 ships, which are very fast (I have been in the engine room of one) twin propellers and mucho steam…they will have great difficulty activation and operating I am sure, as they have had in the past, towing them back to port.. Very nice to alert the Chinese and Russians as to the nature of the new targets for trash compactor…

    • #62832
      Mr P
      Participant

      New report whackzone 404…nazi have great difficulties…https://youtu.be/wd8Q4L1APE4  British, French, and U.S. Military Advisers blown to bits… poor fellas…it’s a war, what did they expect?

    • #62835
      Mr P
      Participant

      The echos of the future such as we see may be in some measure the whispers God sends that man must listen to and respond to by moving toward the good…and when we don’t? Ah! Well then He throws rocks, rocks such as terrible defeats…

      Speaking of listening…some essays and stimulating thoughts…Катехон. Информационно-аналитическое издание...https://katehon.com/ru

      Sample> 1037 years ago, Grand Prince Vladimir, in the still-weak state of Ancient Rus with its capital in Kiev, made a fateful decision. Shortly before…Alexander Dugin 30.07.2025

      The Baltic Sea, traditionally considered a region with high potential for economic cooperation and relatively stable…

      Iranian philosopher Ahmad Fardid introduced the expression “garbzadehigi” into his country’s intellectual discourse, which can be translated as “poisoning…Leonid Savin 01.08.2025

      Just a cool cartoon…bear finds submarines

      This brief essay bears reading… (risible way to say bullchitting..” verbal interventions”… hahahaha!)

      FROM RUSSIAN SOCIAL MEDIA:
      On Trump and nuclear war.

      First, Trump is a master of verbal interventions, and the US market will not “short” itself. He makes money on everything – on Trumpcoin, on copper, on oil, on the fall of Tesla and IT giants. To explain and write once again that their nuclear submarines are always on combat duty is to shake the air and increase the carbon footprint. That’s why the Pentagon did not even understand his passage)

      Second. When we say “Trump”, we must always understand that this is a group. Not so much a team as corporations, which are the beneficiaries of what is happening in the world. They are not interested in people. Capital flows – very much. But they will not fight with us – they have other goals.

      And third. It is surprising that many are so offended by Trump’s behavior. But the US presidents (especially in the 20th century) were often idiots – stupid, unbalanced, hysterical narcissists: Hoover, Truman, Johnson, Bush Jr. … And why be surprised by Trump’s behavior? Tradition, however. Considering that the US is a cluster of transnational corporations, this does not interfere with strategy, so … sometimes it leads to political deviations.

      Exactly 80 years ago – on August 2, 1945, the Potsdam Conference ended. Stalin had to “tamp” the so-called “allies” according to the conditions, who during the conference, as is known, tried to scare him with an atomic bomb.

      Back in the spring of 1945, after Roosevelt’s death, it became clear that we would still have a drink with the idiot Truman … On April 23, 1945, he met with the USSR People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs Molotov in the White House. It has been described many times. Truman somehow decided that the Russians would be impressed by his toughness.

      Molotov tried very hard to explain our position, especially on the Polish issue. At one point, Truman interrupted him and lectured him harshly on politics. Molotov replied that the only way to cooperate was to respect each other. Truman said that he was not interested in propaganda and threw in Molotov’s face: “Fulfill our demands on Poland, and we will speak in a less rude manner.” Molotov turned pale, tried to change the subject, at one point said that he had never been spoken to so unceremoniously in his life. – “Fulfill your agreements and you will not be spoken to like that,” said the boorish Truman. He made it clear that the meeting was over.

      How is this essentially different from “I am unhappy with Putin”?

      At the Potsdam Conference, even Stalin couldn’t do everything he wanted, although he did, for example, give Churchill a hard time on the Polish issue. He even caught him not knowing the documents he signed himself.

      But the “allies” screwed us over the Black Sea straits (by the way, for the second time since the World War). Roosevelt and Churchill not only promised free passage instead of the anti-Russian Montreux Convention, they promised bases. But that was in Tehran and Yalta…

      However, Roosevelt died, and Churchill dropped out of the race right during Potsdam, having shamefully failed in the elections. Truman and Attlee deceived. They didn’t even allow free passage, much less bases, drowning the negotiations in details and disputes. And they finally broke off the dialogue already in 1946-1947. Having demonized the USSR, the US unleashed the Cold War on the basis of the Greek, Turkish and Iranian crises.

      In early 1946, Truman summoned our ambassador to the US Gromyko and again rudely demanded that Moscow withdraw its troops from Iran within 48 hours. Otherwise, Truman threatened Gromyko: “to drop a bomb on you.” Then he was told that the US had about 20 bombs, not hundreds, as he imagined. But the USSR had already withdrawn its troops. But not because it was afraid of atomic bombs, although we did not have our own yet. The US and Britain stopped supplying equipment in the form of reparations from their zones in Germany, which was a condition of Potsdam. They deceived again. Also, the US did not withdraw its troops from South Korea.

      All the histories of interaction between the USSR and the US, as well as the specific example of Truman, show one thing – they understand force and action. A bomb appeared – they began to hear. But they will always insult. The more boorish the performer, the less he feels the word. Unless it helps make money. And he easily gets offended himself.

      And to the joke above, it is worth adding that in our Strategic Missile Forces the phrase “staff reduction” is also understood in a peculiar way.

      @alexbobrowski

      Speaking of ships…anniversary 2 and 4 August “Tonkin incident” and the mouse-trapping of Congress into the process that defeated the US in Vietnam…millions died, vast treasure stolen… Lyndon Johnson’s Great Achievement.

    • #62856
      Mr P
      Participant

      There are several similar “AI” clips on YT. They’re amusing, and also suggestive of rather unpleasant applications. I understand, for example, that the nazis, er… “zionist” boffins have perfected generation of fake “evidence” of sexual and other sorts of misbehaviors – No further need for Epstein’s honey-traps. Their stuff is supposed to be so good that no forensic analysis can say it’s not genuine.

      Cronkite reports on a crises in the Greater German Reich…https://youtu.be/0X3KTQcSsEY

    • #62867
      Mr P
      Participant

      MOATS…several topics of interest…especially Ritter – see roughly time 1:16:00 +/- whatever… Our jarhead makes the argument that the Fatboy’s deadline 8 August will become the seizure of and selling by the nazi forces of Russian assets, such as the nazis can do so. This naturally will occasion the reciprocal seizure and nationalization of nazi assets such as the Russians can do. The value of the latter being greater than the value of the former, Fatboy will chithizself…how amusing…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLDxZCBLioY In the end, the confidence man hustles himself… I do hope that Burrows managed, in spite of his many sins, to find a table at Abe’s Place and is enjoying the satirical clown show…

      I have formed the idea that our Russian comrades are deliberately creating a situation in the nazi junta that will result in the removal of Fatboy by elements of the junta…they have decided that he’s not suitable. They would prefer Vance….my reasoning is subtle and complicated, but I’m fairly sure…I will not declaim as to the details – too complicated…anyway, we’ll see about it…

      • #62874
        amarynth
        Keymaster

        The term ‘enough rope to hang himself’ comes to mind.

    • #62873
      Mr P
      Participant

      https://youtu.be/CZwp114sBd4…Crooke and Napolitano chat about the war …zone Iran.  Followed later with Uncle Ray… chatting about European “paranoia” with respect to Rus… der drang nach Osten more like, but paranoia and Angstbeißattacken dove-tail pretty well… 😉

    • #62875
      Mr P
      Participant

      Remarkably, Crooke seems to agree with the idea McGovern has expressed, that Fatboy’s being blackmailed by Bibi… Now then, let us recall that recently Medvedev said the it should not be assumed that the zionist fellas are the sole holders of the Epstein compromat. His blunt implication being that Russia has copies. We recall that Iran made a very big haul of Mossad materials just prior to the 12 days “war”. It’s to be assumed that by now even Comrade Kim has the amusing files… This Medvedev statement is one reason that I expect the junta to remove Fatboy…it implies that FSB can provide, share, the damning material at will…and that to avoid that they ought to remove the target individual – Fatboy – themselves, and do it soon. Supporting factors include his self-evident poor physical condition, which enables a facile rationale – he’s going to depart pretty soon anyway, so why not manage the business… I continue to bear in mind the tall kid and the pretty wife – where are they…is the East wind blowing upon the union similar to that which blew upon Gates’ marriage?

      • #62879
        AHH
        Keymaster

        even if they remove fatboy, the junta’s been hamstrung in advance, no? The dirty deed’s been done – Gaza, insulting and alienating all trading partners, and the revulsion of mankind and the Scarlet Letters that came as a package deal. The Junta would have little to no prospects of earning an honest living (even if they had the inclination, and remembered how, and had the skill sets) – and facing empty store shelves (Brits about to sever ALL trading sea lanes for foreseeable future) and incensed and hungry populace. So they would reluctantly (if that) continue the Drang on mankind, if only to stay alive within CONUS. They GOT to bring home some bacon or plunder. Their room for maneuver nicely circumscribed in advance, every which way… so it appears it is aggressive imperialism to the dregs, or glowing Singularity. CHARGE!

        • #62880
          Mr P
          Participant

          I did not intend to imply that removing Fatboy would change the outcome of the war. You make good points. Another motivation for removing the old guy is ambition, the lean and hungry fella an’ all that stuff. At some point their naive beliefs and hopes will become fear, and among the forces they will fear, will be, if he remains, Fatboy himself. I suppose too, that they will begin to fear their own volk…and by dispensing Fatboy as a pharmacos they can focus blame away from themselves, at least they will hope so. Sea lanes? Ah! FSB report below… FSB getting ahead of the buggers… 😉

    • #62877
      Mr P
      Participant

      War at Sea…Tanker Fleet…

      The Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation reports that, according to information received by the SVR, British intelligence agencies are planning to use NATO allies to launch a mass raid on the “shadow fleet.”
      According to London’s plan, the impetus for such a campaign should be a high-profile incident involving one or more tankers. The plan calls for organizing a major act of sabotage, the damage from which will make it possible to declare the transportation of Russian oil a threat to all international shipping. This will free up the West’s hands in choosing methods of counteraction. In the extreme case, this could involve detaining any “suspicious” vessels in international waters and escorting them to NATO ports.
      The British are working on two potential casus belli. The first is to arrange an accident with an “unwanted” tanker in one of the bottlenecks of sea communications (for example, in a strait). The oil spill and blocking of the fairway, as London believes, will provide NATO countries with “sufficient” grounds to create a precedent of an “emergency inspection” of a vessel allegedly for compliance with maritime safety and environmental standards.
      The second scenario involves setting fire to the tanker during loading in a port in a state friendly to Russia. It is assumed that the fire will cause significant damage to the port infrastructure and spread to other vessels, which will require an international investigation.

      London intends to entrust the execution of both terrorist attacks to Ukrainian security forces. Their expectedly dirty work and inability to “cover their tracks” are considered by the British as a guarantee of their own impunity. The international investigation will place responsibility for the disaster either on Russia or, in the worst case, on Ukraine, similar to the explosion of the Nord Streams.

      The UK intends to choose the moment for the attack in order to use the media effect from it to put pressure on the Trump administration. The goal is to force Washington, contrary to its national interests, to adopt the toughest secondary sanctions against buyers of Russian energy resources, who will be portrayed as “indirect culprits of the tragedy.”

      It seems that nostalgia for the lost supremacy of the seas and the piratical lawlessness sanctioned by the crown has completely deprived the British intelligence community of the last vestiges of common sense. It is time for our British colleagues to understand that their increasingly daring attempts not only to “annoy” their rivals, but also to damage global energy security and the environment are capable of driving even their staunch allies out of patience.

      Press Bureau of the SVR of Russia
      04.08.2025

      (my bold)

    • #62889
      amarynth
      Keymaster

      buyers of Russian energy resources, who will be portrayed as “indirect culprits of the tragedy.”

      The magnification of this in the press was noticeable this weekend, especially against India.

       

    • #62904
      Mr P
      Participant

      Rostislav Ishchenko: “The US and Europe are preparing a new proxy war, which will become continental in scale” – 04.08.2025 Ukraine.ru…………….”The problem that interests us is that the US will collapse, and this will not happen tomorrow, without unleashing a nuclear or at least a major war.”  My own informal survey indicates that the government, the regime running it, has nearly no support among the ordinary people – age range 55 + that’s to say people with memory.

      Note Ishchenko says “tomorrow”….but without the major war it will happen “next week”??? 

      Anyway, here’s the essay: https://ukraina-ru.translate.goog/20250804/rostislav-ischenko-ssha-i-evropa-gotovyat-novuyu-proksi-voynu-kotoraya-po-masshtabam-stanet-1066313729.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

       

      • #62920
        AHH
        Keymaster

        As much as we love Ishchenko, he has blindspots as us all. Two fatal assumptions here — the ABILITY to start/maintain a continental-scale war, regardless of intent, and the WISH to avoid a nuclear war. Perhaps the two feed each other, inversely proportional, as psychic pain and desperation take a grip less tender than lockjaw.

        I suppose the Russkie, like the Yanqui who has been dreaming of the Coming of the Russians for 80 years, is structurally incapable of seeing the bogeyman in non-mythic scale, and the corresponding overestimation.

        The lucky exception so far appear to be those who’ve come to see the naked shriveled senile thug behind the curtain — the military specialists who’ve traded actual wits and blows in Novorossiya

        Fortunately the Russian Security Council is under similar disabuse. The public jettisoning of the last useless threads of the INF, and the second call to BiBi in one week are promising signs. Counter-CHARGE!

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising#Plot

        • #62926
          Mr P
          Participant

          Having read the wiki on RSR I understand why I did not know it. I do appreciate good fiction when I find it…but I do not regard Clancy’s fiction as either interesting or as quality work.  Reading his wiki ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy) I see he was an unenthusiastic student and managed a 1.9 GPA…how he graduated from Loyola speaks to their low standards, and his.

    • #62923
      Mr P
      Participant

      RSR is one I do not know, but shall, thanks!

      I intended no endorsement of Ishchenko essay. But since he wrote of collapse… 😉

      ……………….

      Amusing story swiped from Locals…the good old days…

      When British Officers Met Cossack Justice…

      🔻On the Afghan border, казачий есаул [ka-za-chiy yi-sa-ul] a Cossack Yesaul (= commander) and his squadron intercepted a group of armed smugglers. Among them were two British officers! For border violation, smuggling, and armed resistance, the smugglers were dealt with decisively.

      🔻However, instead of putting the British officers to death, the Yesaul ordered them to be publicly flogged with nagaikas: нагайка (нагайки) [na-gaj-ka (na-gaj-ki)] = Cossack whips, and then released.

      🔻The British officers, outraged by this “barbaric” treatment, filed complaints that went all the way up to Queen Victoria herself!

      🔻Furious, Queen Victoria sent an ultimatum to Tsar Alexander III, demanding that the Yesaul and his Cossacks be punished, and a formal apology be issued to the insulted British Crown.

      🔻Here’s what Alexander III telegraphed back:

      1. No apologies whatsoever to the English Crown!

      2. To the resolute Yesaul, send a personal Imperial telegram: ‘Congratulations on your promotion to Colonel! Had you hanged them, you would be a General. Alexander.

      3. Publish this telegram in all Russian newspapers!

      ………………

      Nima and Pepe…today...https://youtu.be/F63VbumBzaA   China CHECKMATES – India Faces Its TOUGHEST Challenge Yet as Russia & Iran Gear Up!!

      ……………………

      File under “4 seconds to midnight the whole world will change”..which you’ll recall the origin of….”With Its Doomsday Clock at 100 Seconds to Midnight, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Calls for Escalating US Aggression Against Russia see…https://www.globalresearch.ca/doomsday-clock-100-seconds-midnight-bulletin-atomic-scientists-calls-escalating-us-aggression-against-russia/5770842  Ahemnote Bulletin of and Postol split over their servile and non-technical character, standards having fallen..

      ………………….

      Adios fellas…  Russia ‘no longer considers itself bound’ by nuclear treaty with US — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union  see…https://www.rt.com/russia/622483-moscow-inf-nuclear-treaty-us/

      Happy Tails, Roy Rogershttps://archive[dot]org/details/tvtunes_1854

      • #62927
        AHH
        Keymaster

        Please don’t read RSR, absolute and dated sophomoric crap written in mid-1980s! I put it up for laughs.

        Smoothie likes to say the US Armed Forces are stuck in 1991. Well, Tom Clancy, a Maryland accountant made a pretty penny as their hagiographer. He wrote many Rah-Rah works, including this curious “continental-wide non-nuclear war between nuclear powers” which appears to be what Ishchenko anticipates.

        But this ain’t the 1980s, that’s for sure. And look at even the crazed assumptions of Soviet military doctrine, means, and incompetence in the linked plot. Unbelievable.

        What Iran did to Zion in a week and a half will be done to NATO by Russia in a few days, tops.

        If the delusional and drugged Pentagon planners really are stuck in 1991-mindset and attempt what’s in RSR, it will be the reverse depicted, on them, and at standoff distances. I agree with Smoothie, there is no need for Russians to set foot on W Europe … a cordon sanitaire of incinerated lands, key infrastructure, ports, MICs, ingress and logistics points, will do. Thereafter counter-terrorism and border guards in a ring around Morgenthau Lands, like a modern Great Wall of China

        the collective suicide in motion parallels that of the hosts of Pharaoh streaming gleefully into the parted waters of the Red Sea!

      • #62928
        AHH
        Keymaster

        Many of the Romanovs died due to murder most foul, and at hands of Limeys. Even Stalin, for which Churchill was thereupon rewarded with knighthood.. I forget if Alexander III was one, I think he was, but he died at age 49! Feel the Hate that still emotes off their WikiLies.. He shoulda apologized… and the perfidious ended his entire dynasty 23 years later.. but those were the old White Russkies, playing by assumed Marquess of Queensberry Rules; methinks they’re alot wiser and sadder, and crueler, today

        PS — Captivity is relative, lol. it is safe to say, per Limeys themselves, they preferred to be caught by Russkie Cossacks than Afghan Pashtun!
        Kipling:

        “When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
        And the women come out to cut up what remains,
        Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
        An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”

    • #62929
      Mr P
      Participant

      https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/622436-menashe-us-trapped-israel/….the story is blackmail, as Uncle Ray suspects…   Not exactly shocking news, it’s been obvious for some time... ” Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli intelligence officer who alleges Jeffrey Epstein was an asset of Israel’s Mossad. He discusses why he believes the US is trapped by Israel to do nothing about the Gaza genocide, Epstein’s blackmailing of Ehud Barak and Bill Clinton to stop an agreement with Yasser Arafat for a two-state solution, how a number of US presidents had been blackmailed by Israel using Epstein, how Rupert Murdoch’s first newspaper was funded for him by Israel, Donald Trump wanting to bring peace to the Middle East but being held back by Israel via blackmail over Epstein, the brainwashing of Israelis during the Gaza genocide, the bombing of his house in Canada in 2012, how the UK got most of its military technology from Israel, Israel committing harakiri on itself over the Gaza genocide, why Trump must end the Gaza genocide despite the blackmail, and much more.”

      Trump must, but he’s a coward, so he can’t…I note that in the realm of emotions and politics, theater politics,  the sunk-cost principle is not a fallacy but a driver, ever further toward the deepest parts of the big muddy. “Use every man after his desert, and who should ‘scape whipping?”  combines with video recordings…but most men know better than to fall for the honeytrap, don’t they? In Cold Feet (a film) Tom Waits travels with a whore called Moreen – who utters a famous line (as I recall it was) “Don’t forget, you pay for every piece of azz!” as she leaves a hustled john on the road and drives off with his motorhome…

      • #62931
        AHH
        Keymaster

        I think Crooke said the Ben-Menashe name in last Judge Nap too. I don’t buy it. Perhaps for lower levels folks with residual conscience. But as you demonstrated in his 45-year-old video of lusting to bomb Iran, not for Trump or the higher ups, carefully groomed based on character from young age. We know how Roy Cohn assisted in the process of his education.. According to Zionazis themselves, Orange is the anointed King of Jerusalem, who gifted them Jerusalem, and the Golan, and Gaza real estate, and for which they gave him a gold coin and Jared and other endless handlers since even before Roy Cohn

        rather than kompromat, this appears more as cover, which even then legally doesn’t pass muster nor escape accountability. Just as the zionist polity today pretends it’s all the fault of Netanyahoo and a bunch of crazed freaks, so the Yanqui oligarchy finds it convenient to set up a certain bipartisan cadre that can be jettisoned after failure

        ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive’

    • #62949
      Mr P
      Participant

      Ah yes, the ever friendly Roy, always interested is assisting the young fellows…there was rejoicing when he passed on…

    • #62951
      Mr P
      Participant

      Nima and John Helmer…august 5 … https://youtu.be/FvPMTmKuXME

      • #62972
        Mr P
        Participant

        John is very good at rhetorical and sematic analysis…and addresses the nature of Trump and the nuclear escalation between nazizoneDC and Rus in considerable and precise detail. If y’all have the time do listen, and if not, make the time.   At minute 37 tanker war, Fatboy sink Rus is anticipated, as we have previously said.

        ………………

        HOW THE US PAVED THE WAY FOR THE ORESHNIK AND HOW WESTERN MEDIA HYPNOTIZE THEIR MASSES
        💣 Re. the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty 💣
        😲Daily Telegraph: RUSSIA ISSUES WARNING TO WEST AS IT PULLS OUT OF MISSILE TREATY 😧
        Historical Facts:

        July 14, 2014:The U.S. accuses Russia of violating the INF treaty by testing a ground-launched cruise missile, later identified as the 9M729 (ISKANDER-K), with a range up to 2500km, Note: The US alleged this non-compliant range was even though the missile has the same Volume (through the same launch tube) as the Iskander-M which we all know has a nominal range of 500km. Russia denies the claim. Note the fateful, deceitful year.
        December 8, 2017: U.S. warns of withdrawal on 30th anniversary.
        February 23, 2019: U.S. gives Russia 60-day ultimatum
        Aug 2 2019 Russia officially terminates its participation, with Putin signing a decree to end the treaty, but maintains its own voluntary moratorium. Russia repeatedly expresses a desire to resurrect the treaty.
        Nov 24 2024 Russia tests the Oreshnik with the justification that U.S. plans to deploy Typhon missiles in Germany and the Philippines.
        August 4 2025 Moscow “no longer considers itself voluntarily bound” by the Treaty
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/05/russia-pulls-out-missile-treaty-ukraine-strikes-continue/

        • #62985
          AHH
          Keymaster

          Yes, Helmer’s interpretations of interactions between Russkie and Goldfinger are worthwhile. But he appears behind the curve on Pakistan. Mucho has changed since he lived there decades ago..

          • Zion openly threatened Pakistan for being Islamic with nukes, and said they would be next, after Iran.
          • Zion openly sent its military specialists and drones and tech to aid India during the Pak-India Round One
          • The Pakistani DM tweeted to the putative regime change candidate, the son of the former Shah, that he was a cowardly imperial whore (!) – which a Yanqui poodle would never do to possible neighboring ruler, unless fully committed to the survival of the current ruler Khamanei
          • Pakistanis said they would retaliate with their own nukes if Zion used theirs on Iran
          • The Yanquis reportedly refused use of the Pak F-16s in Indian war (??), forcing sole use of Chinese tech
          • There are many prudent interpretation why the Paki Junta boss went to Trump – rather than grovel, it was to defuse the coming war on Iran, or economic deals, or to split USA from Zio-Indians? Etc.. ALL Asians keep their worst enemies closest, ain’t just a Chinese dictum

          And so on. And he is the only analyst who keeps saying India won! Pakistan likely got mauled, as did Iran, but who sued for peace again? I think he is so pessimistic about the rigid character of Pakistani elite that he cannot conceive they could change (I don’t blame him, many give up on them after knowing them for a long while).

          NOTE Nima humors him on his idiosyncrasies on Pakistan and that crazed belief they would fight for empire to attack Iran, and quickly moves the conversation along, demurring that the situation is “complicated”.

          Well, existential times breed strange alliances. And the old order and understandings are largely dead

          Another likely possibility is that Orange is sweet-talking the Pakistanis, just as he did the Iranians before the sucker punch. This C-list actor has his lines to grunt out. There are factions within Pakistan still anglophile, as within India, and these will be seduced and instrumentalized to weaken Pakistan, helping India in Round Two.

          This is the Anglo-Zionazi Way – win by hook or crook, anything but lose. See how they got to Syria – working like termites within the Syrian elite and populace; this is their only chance against the civilizational-states and nuclear power Pakistan too.

          And the Rise of the Moshiach demands the utter destruction of Iran and Pakistan, both as closest major muslim land powers (with balls) and those fated in eschatology to salt the Holy Land with the last zionazi maniac blood. Helmer is old-school and altogether discounts the overriding spiritual element of the deranged moment. Pakistan is desperate, knowing its certain and imminent doom. Like Russkies, they can also read the writing on the wall, and also prepare their own “dead hands” against Hind as we speak

    • #62966
      Mr P
      Participant

      Yellow Sea prohibited zone..fellas firin’ off extra ammo shooting skeet…mucho fun!  (What would that drunken nasty racist Winston say, another torment for him in his warm grave..)   …https://sputnikglobe.com/20250805/pla-conducts-firing-drills-in-yellow-sea-no-ships-allowed-in-zone-1122554624.html  BEIJING (Sputnik) – The Chinese People’s Liberation Army is conducting military firing drills in the southern part of the Yellow Sea on August 5-12, China’s Maritime Safety Administration said on Tuesday.
      During this period, navigation in the designated waters is prohibited from 08:00 to 18:00 local time (00:00 GMT to 10:00 GMT).
      No further details were disclosed.

      ……………….

      Zone Lebanon … https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/08/05/752522/Lebanon-Hezbollah-Israel-United-States-rally……..the most basic natural right is self-defense, they’ll keep their weapons…

    • #62978
      siljan
      Participant
      • #62982
        Mr P
        Participant

        Although it seems the epitome of stupid to send saboteurs who know the secret plans of MI6 into a zone where they may be captured, the correlation between their capture and the FSB announcing that the UK plans to cause oil tankers/port facilities to spill/burn and thus to create the popular idea that the “oil smugglers” ships are unsafe and a threat to the world, thus must be “inspected”. (seized)…etc etc… the correlation seems to suggest that infact those colonels and the MI6 fella did know, and did talk… (I assume speznaz can be highly persuasive) … The logical probability seems to be that the saboteurs were there to coordinate the terrorist attacks on tankers and oil facilities with their brother nazis – such that “Ukraine” would be held responsible rather than the UK… Given that such plans are now known to the Russians (and ourselves!) it might seem that the operations will be set aside – they got busted hard. However John Bull will, imho, forge ahead and create massive environmental sabotage… ever deeper into the Big Muddy. The cunning Ruskies may schedule the public trials in a way to turn the environmental crimes back onto the UK as the responsible agent. They may also, if the crimes occur, cause er… “physical difficulties” for John Bull.

    • #62983
      Mr P
      Participant

      Ania K has a very sober presentation…https://youtu.be/j1Vm-Dwuy-A with some blunt statements and video clips about the junta that runs the juntas…and the 8 million “missing” children…19 minutes.

    • #62987
      Mr P
      Participant

      Borzzikman say Kapustin Yar site is preparing Oreshnik flight…a highly stimulating event seems to be in the offing…very thrilling I’m sure…film at 11 an’ all that stuff…to-day’s report on whackzone404       8 + minutes…runs at 1.5 speed nicely…enjoy!https://youtu.be/FXvPAPNhbKk   Report Oreshnik may arrive zone Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela…How Jolly!  Comrade Medvedev say “only the beginning…”

       

      • #62996
        emersonreturn
        Participant

        hazel nuts covering nica/cuba/venezuela suggest that perhaps ortega’s recent declarations may’ve been grateful bouquets?  no matter, thank you, Mr.P, news of nica is a balm, my move has been delayed but in such days as these delays are par, no matter, nica draws nearer, slower than anticipated but progressing.  thank you for news, bless you.

        (i’m experiencing internet/life issues…hopefully resolved in a day or 2.  blessings.)

      • #62997
        AHH
        Keymaster

        https://time.com/5478644/venezuela-russian-bombers/
        ☝️ the strategic bombers also flew to Caracas in 2008 and 2013.. what understandings have percolated over the decades, saved for rainy days, as with Chairman Kim on other fronts?

        https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-russia-navy-ships-cuba-d594c7c8fc97a903e5dc90754970b8c0
        ☝️ remember the leisurely cruise of the Zirkon carriers down the East Coast last year? You gotta be crude and blunt with unimaginative nazis – even if greater horrors lurked beneath sight in the same area. No wonder Sleepy Joe went for a permanent mental walkabout, and Goldfinger is fast losing his own shine atm

        Venezuela may be the best candidate, much bigger than Cuba and harder terrain and younger angrier folks, and at perfect distance to hold the Oreshnik gun to helpless Yanqui temples. Woe to those about to reap the whirlwind – it’s the age of paybacks on every continent

    • #62991
      Mr P
      Participant

      Salty Sal twigged to the correct pronounciation of arctic!  China goes North….way North! Here’s Sal...https://youtu.be/PZdSAIMoI2w  Beard’s coming along nicely too.

      • #62992
        amarynth
        Keymaster

        Yeah, he gets arctic so now and again.  Its like saying nucelar, instead of nuclear.

        It is really wonderful to see the Northern Passage – never saw that before.  Thanks Mr P.

         

    • #63006
      Mr P
      Participant

      Is any State ever “ready” for an existential war? Unanswerable, of course. Yet there are degrees of preparation, and preparations no mater the urgency, take time… thus I dispute Roberts’ following quote:

      “…in these chains, no Western leader can undertake action to avoid war.

      Russian President Putin has contributed to the coming catastrophic war by his ignoring of provocations in the hope that in the end he would secure a mutual security agreement with Washington that would end the tensions that threaten both countries.  Putin’s hopes were fruitless, because they ignored the Wolfowitz doctrine, the power of the US military-security complex, and Israel’s blackmail power over the government in America. ”

      Setting aside the conflation of “hope” with “ignoring provocations”, the provocations were certainly not ignored…they elicited response, which has been to warn, to plan, prepare, build…and for the nazis forces to have weakened while the Resistance Forces have grown closer to “ready”.

      I do agree with his conclusion, save that the war has already begun, it is not “inevitable”, it is now.

      Roberts’ essay in full> https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/08/paul-craig-roberts/a-catastrophic-war-seems-inevitable/

    • #63007
      Mr P
      Participant

      In relation to our recent discussion respecting Grover Furr and Uncle Joe…see 30 minutes ….https://youtu.be/PVWun9jfSac …”What If Everything You Know About Stalin is a Lie?”…

    • #63021
      Mr P
      Participant

      East Winds blowing…zone Palestine/Rus...Russian diplomatic vehicle attacked by Israeli settlers in West Bank | Al Mayadeen English…https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/russian-diplomatic-vehicle-attacked-by-israeli-settlers-in-w

    • #63024
      cronetoo
      Participant

      Lifted from Larry Johnson’s Sonar site in the comment section:

      “The Dept of Homeland Security has changed its terms & conditions, removing Trump’s requirement that states do business Israel in order to receive disaster relief.

      “— 🇺🇸/🇮🇱 NEW: The Department of Homeland Security has quietly updated its Terms & Conditions and removed the requirement for cities and states to do business with Israeli companies in exchange for disaster relief

      The previous version of the document is still online.

      @Middle_East_Spectator”

    • #63031
      cronetoo
      Participant

      A Thousand Cranes

      On August sixth of nineteen forty-five,
      Hiroshima was bombed. A little girl
      Named Sadako came out of it alive,
      Despite defenestration by the hurl

      Of one of Little Boy’s rampaging arms….
      She loved to run and, at eleven, made
      Her class’s relay team. Free from alarms
      Since toddlerhood, by fearful dreams unpreyed

      Upon, she found, one morning in November,
      Lumps upon her neck and behind both ears
      And, later, each a tiny violet ember,
      Purpura spots upon her legs. The fears

      Of okāsan and tōsan came to be
      When leukemia was the diagnosis.
      With not much time left, in hospital she
      Built her life to its apotheosis

      When a friend suggested she pass the days
      In folding origami paper cranes.
      This, at the time, was something of a craze
      (Alongside that of cutting dolls in chains)

      And drew Sadako to it. Where to get
      The paper, though, was not an easy task,
      So she tried magazine page, serviette,
      And, when her best friend came by, thought to ask,

      ‘Chizuko, could you get me some from school…?’
      Remembering a legend that she’d learned
      About a man who (certainly no fool)
      Had folded a thousand, and thereby earned

      A granted wish, she took that as her aim….
      Over the months, she sickened bit by bit,
      Suspicioning that no one overcame
      Such a disease as this yet, full of grit,

      Surpassed her target. One day in October,
      Requesting tea on rice, she took a bite,
      Said, ‘It’s good,’ in a lucid voice and sober,
      Slowly closed her eyes and gave up the fight.

      <hr />

      Poet’s Note: Sadako had folded close to 1,400 cranes by the time she died. Some have been donated to significant places around the world, such as the 9-11 memorial and Pearl Harbor. In 1999, a statue of her holding a ruby-red Crane was unveiled at the Hiroshima Peace Memorial. Its plaque reads, ‘This is our cry. This is our prayer. Peace on Earth.’

      Okāsan and tōsan mean mother and father.

      Peter Austin is a retired Professor of English who lives in Toronto with his younger two daughters.

       

      • #63049
        akidinthecrowd
        Participant

        Hiroshima Mon Amour

         

        It was newborn and ten feet tall

        But they called it a little boy

        And C⁷, H⁵, O⁶, N³

        They called him T-N-T

        The fireball would dim the sun

        Promising death in its cruelest form

        Hu-u-u-u-u-u-u …

        Hiroshima Mon Amour

        As we beg to be forgiven

        Do you spit in our face and curse us all

        The fireball that shamed the sun

        Burning the shadows on the ground

        As the rain falls to dry the land

        Leaving desert for the thirsty man

        They all said it would end the war

        And we thanked Christ for the bomb

        And the priests and witches all agreed

        They should die to keep them free

        The fireball that shamed the sun

        Burning the shadows on the ground

        As the rain falls to dry the land

        Leaving the desert for the thirsty man
        Hiroshima!

    • #63032
      cronetoo
      Participant

      The Cranes

      I sometimes have a feeling that those soldiers,
      Who failed to come back from the bloodied plains,
      Not in our earth were laid amid the boulders,
      But were transformed into white-feathered cranes.

      Until this day and from the earliest ages
      They’re flying high so we can hear their cries.
      Is this a reason why on some occasions
      We stare in silence at the joyless skies?

      Today, I see the cranes are stately soaring,
      Amidst the evening fog their flight proceeds.
      The line they’ve formed comes from the days of warring,
      When they, as soldiers, walked the battlefields.

      They fly, their journey is both long and languid,
      And they are calling someone by their name.
      Is that a reason why the Avar language
      And cranes’ flight calls for epochs sound the same?

      They’re flying, flying in a V formation,
      Their flight is heavy in the evening mist.
      And in their ranks there is a gap position —
      Perhaps, a place that was reserved for me.

      The day shall come, and in the haze unending
      I’ll join the cranes on their long journey forth,
      From high above my creaking calls descending
      To all of you whom I have left on earth.

      ~  Rasul Gamzatov, 1968

      Translation from Russian in the original meter (iambic pentameter).

      From Wiki:
      The original poem by the Dagestani poet Rasul Gamzatov, who, while visiting Hiroshima, was impressed by the story of Sadako Sasaki, a girl who contracted leukemia as a result of the radioactive contamination of the city. Following a Japanese tradition, she made a thousand paper cranes, hoping (in vain) that they would save her life. The memory of the paper cranes folded by this girl haunted Gamzatov and inspired him to write this poem.

      Written in the Avar language, the poem was translated into Russian by Naum (Rambah) Grebnev in 1968. The following year it was turned into a song and became one of the most famous ballads in the Russian language. It was originally performed by Mark Bernes to the music by Yan Frenkel.  It would be Bernes’ last recording, his swan song, for he would die of lung cancer a month later.

      The image of flying white cranes became a symbol of the fallen soldiers of World War II.

      https://allpoetry.com/poem/17270083-The-Cranes–Rasul-Gamzatov–1968–by-Kirill-Tolmachev

       

      • #63040
        AHH
        Keymaster


        thank you dear crone! I didn’t know a man named Rasul from Dagestan wrote this poignancy. One of my favorites in the Russian language. Perhaps was a sufi or of sufi stock? Like Rumi, Sufis of all ages ever guide us to the transcendent, finding the words that express and allow healing of the deepest sorrows

        Gamzatov died on 3 November 2003 at the age of 80 in the Moscow Central Clinical Hospital. He was buried in the old Muslim cemetery in Tarki, next to the grave of his wife.” 

        “Rasul” is an Arabic word that means “Messenger” — traditionally referring to the highest prophets since and including Noah who brought new Revelation. [01] [02] In Arabic it is also an affectionate title generally reserved for the Islamic Prophet, the Last Messenger. Many muslims give this name to confer the honor to their sons. Isn’t the Russian Rasul a fitting messenger of the horrors of the Great Patriotic War, our Act Two of the Last War?

    • #63039
      amarynth
      Keymaster

      A note about missiles in LAC. LAC has an agreement via CELAC (Community of Latin American and Caribbean States). CELAC’s membership is 33 countries and 5 working languages. At the 2014 Summit – Cuba – and confirmed in subsequent meetings, the region was declared a “peace zone”.

      I’ll put money on it (just a little) that none of the CELAC countries will allow missiles on their territories, not even for Russia and least of all CUBA, which remembers very well what happened. (Ships? the story changes.)

      In the extraordinary circumstances that the US may place missiles (say for protection against subs, or the Antarctic, or it would have to be strange circumstances), the situation changes.

      The next CELAC summit is in November. All indications are that the hegemon will interfere, of course, possibly by way of Europe, as CELAC handles the region’s trade with EUROPE more or less. Venezuela kicked out the EU, last I heard. Brazil and Mexico are prominent CELAC voices, but CELAC will confirm the concept of a “peace zone”. Countries here will not easily make themselves targets.

      • #63041
        AHH
        Keymaster

        The US already has nuclear capable missiles in Poland at point blank range on Moscow, and creeping closer by the day in Finland and Balts and Romania and Arctic.

        The thing that astonishes us is the slowness of Russia to respond to this clear decapitation effort, slow-walked since 1997, and without the deviation of an iota. Trump signaled he is part of the agenda by saying he ordered two nuclear-armed subs closer – by implication using a flatter and faster ballistic trajectory on Moscow. Every European without distinction, including “neutral Austria and Switzerland” are part of the ongoing Final War to render Russia a wasteland OR a dismembered lebensraum for the European Volk.

        And Venezuela and every nation on earth watch this accelerating suicide train, knowing they are next. If the demented openly, brazenly, and unflinchingly roll this out to mighty Russia, where are they? Will all remain abject and fearful, waiting for their turn to be vivisected? Or do many still have sense of honor and fighting spirit, and understand their only chance is to support each other from the arrived tsunami of Legion?

        Listen to the words of the Columbian Prez who said “they” (the freakin West!) want to subjugate us like Gaza! Folks are internalizing what goes on in 404 and the Holy Land and the necessary reaction. I think there is honor yet among bolivarians…..

        Dear Amarynth, the legalism and protestations of the cute CELAC are irrelevant. They have spit on Venezuela and Cuba and Nica for decades, refusing to help break sieges. Just months ago Lula personally stabbed Venezuela in the BRICS back. In real geopolitical terms, CELAC is at worst a compradore like ECOWAS, or at best a well-dressed and toothless Arab League, without spine or muscle. What they confirm is their business, those who crawl in the shadow of Monroe Doctrines. Others moved on, as they did wrt to ECOWAS and the Arab League on other continents. Talk shops, like BRICS, are just that — talk shops; the real kinetic action is elsewhere. Events gather pace, and beyond the purview of objects of History

        “the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

    • #63050
      amarynth
      Keymaster

      AHH, you will be wrong on many layers here. (Sorry for calling it wrong – I don’t mean to be insulting). Understand first that this region has been resisting in the way that was possible for them for possibly 200 years longer than the Palestinians.

      CELAC, that little toy, displaced the comprador, which is the OAS. I don’t think anyone can question what is happening here, while not tying it to the Arabs which is a damn site worse in terms of unity. There is unity here – LULA just needed to have Trump kick him in the ass is all. And Columbia is Colombia.

      But, you did make me laugh. So, assume there is a missile battery here in Venezuela, and boom, there goes a missile or a few to some Florida US military thing. There are about 200 of them. And they hit them with at least 6 Oreshniks, fully loaded with 6 warheads each and that one disappears. Now there are 199 bottles left on the wall.

      Now, what’s next? Imagine Venezuela taking their toy subs that they bought from the Chinese toy store, and grab their toy airplanes that they bought from that same store, and their ships that they bought from the baby bath toy store and their guns that they bought from .. ha, I don’t know, I’m sure there are some … and chase across the Panama Canal with their 350,000 masses of soldiers (of course there are not 350,000) and run across Cenrtal America with their tanks that they bought from the Chinese play tank store, and raid the cartels for drones, and go and do what needs to be done with feet on the ground in the US. And if a military force should land, or a missile shot back, what are these guys going to do? Shoot mangos, bananas and corn and fresh blueberries already packed? Those Avos make a hell-of-a-messy shot! I’m not mocking, I’m trying to give you a visceral feel.

      There are no major militaries here. Mexico has a near shore navy. Brazil has a bigger military that can defend near-shore waters, and its coastline is too big for that even.

      You’re talking absurd stuff. No, they don’t know they are ‘next’. There is no strategic value in Central and South America in terms of a world war. There is only value in raiding them. And, the US can come in and raid at will. These people understand that and will NOT MAKE THEMSELVES TARGETS, as they know what it is to be targets of the Monroe Doctrine and the Backyard Doctrine. The last war from an external force was the Brits coming across the oceans and going to war to maintain their islands, called the Falklands War. The BRITS with their 3.2 warships won against one of these kinda non-existent mighty armies down here. The previous one was Brazil I think, somewhere in the 1800’s.

      Armies down here are for civil disturbances. I don’t think any of them have even a submarine, except those little glass cute ones that they use to replant and reseed coral forests. I’ve only really checked Mexico, and they are a NATO ally member, but only for peacekeeping missions. There should be more countries down here like that but Brazil is not a NATO ally.

      • #63061
        AHH
        Keymaster

        I pray you are right. We shall see soon enough

        History and human nature inform danger ahead… one thing logic informs is that Russia will work to reciprocate and bring equal dangers within equal distance of the Yanqui capital and major cities as done to her. Not just the usual submerged threats, but OPEN threats as ostentatiously as done to them. And this is where some friends living in useful locales should be glad to do the service.

        I was listening to Garland Nixon, who was recently in Venezuela, and he noted this is a quite militant land – even fishermen are armed up the wazoo. They are confident. And eager to repay tremendous harm done to them by the crazed gringos of el norte.

        And given what the same crazed are about to do to the friends of the ones who count in CELAC, and their own hope for harmonious multi-nodal sovereign future, I suspect they’re gonna ignore the lawfare of CELAC (designed like the rules of ECOWAS and Arab League, and all post-1945 international organizations, to maintain neocolonialism) as the AES Junta and West Asian Resistances ignore their former parent groupings. No one serious is gonna sit out in the coming days.

        We need to understand the era of cheap talk is over

        The world splits … even legalistic China has moved to acceptance of Russia’s right to the SMO due to western aggression, even though they abhor war and the division of nations (a precedent which could be used against them in Taiwan).

        If they can help the Beast plaguing and trying to destroy all mankind, there will be surprising peoples who will come outta the woodwork to do their part. Some have sense after Gaza and 404 to understand only force counts anymore in the brave new world. The formation of a new Guantanamo gulag within Honduras is a vivid sign of the new slavery being imposed, as is the surprising defense of Lula’s defense of Brazilian sovereignty under “tariffs” attack. The angry words of the Columbian Prez vis-a-vis Gaza are pregnant… he didn’t need to say the “or else” for those who can extrapolate. It was a call to all latinos!

        The world’s cracking.. as are all sub-constituents, including CELAC, into Resistance or Slave. Many surprising developments ahead

        PS – I never said any LAC will invade anyone, especially CONUS. They will serve as the Balts serve NATO – as dispersed unassailable missile bases, full stop. Neither side has the means to meaningfully invade into the heartland and key citadels of the other in this world war. But those citadels on either side CAN be degraded with cruel precision, as now demonstrated on Zion and 404. Without using nukes on the Resistance side. Beyond survival in modern life. Why Zion immediately sued for peace within two weeks. That is all LAC needs to provide. And sufficient to render CONUS another Morgenthau land..

    • #63067
      cronetoo
      Participant

      via ZeroHedge …

      Trump, Putin To Meet As Soon As Next Week In Potential Breakthrough

      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dialogue-will-prevail-unexpected-scenes-witkoff-putin-envoy-strolling-through-moscow

      (more Trump lies?)

       

    • #63068
      Mr P
      Participant

      Comrade Borzzikman say Fat Orange Pig called Putin and begged him to release the spies from MI6… There will not be film at 11 I think. seehttps://youtu.be/043CGSepius

      Borzzikman say Putin will swap for concessions…why would he believe words of concession? So I doubt Borzzikman’s prediction.

      ………

      This I cannot bear to watch any further…a testimonial from a lady who relates certain sordid matters respecting the Fat Orange Pig…she says she was 13…https://youtu.be/DeLoTf9QUqI  If it’s true, the Fat fella is really nuts…worse than Howard Hughes, way worse, ’cause I knowed a gal who knowed Hughes, and he wasn’t all that wierd….until later maybe. I think the testimonial is credible, as I have heard stories from several adult ladies about their tender years, one was 7 years old when she was raped by two cops…

    • #63069
      Mr P
      Participant

      Galloway @ MOATS minute 59, after discussing the Epstein matters, moves to Gaza with Napolitano…saying that zionazi has requested that Fatboy send US soldiers to “occupy” Gaza, since zionazi army is unwilling and cannot do this “occupation”, I submit that “occupation” is a misleading term, liquidate and take a lotta dead in the process would be, I think, more accurate.

      see…https://youtu.be/eb5EXIZIlk8?t=3563

    • #63094
      Mr P
      Participant

      Golly Mr Wizzard! The iron’s turning to oxides and chlorides! The aluminum is turning into hydroxide! Flying machine has great feature…intrinsic self-destruction…why am I not ‘sprized?https://youtu.be/644chocxre8&#8230;.after all, the machine is built to make profit, not so much to fly…

    • #63124
      amarynth
      Keymaster

      Just a quick note on something that may have led to a wrong understanding.  At GlobalSouth.co, we’re looking very hard at alternative voices, outside of the US.  It is turning out to be a challenging task, as somehow the rest of the world is not on interviews six times a day.

      So I find enormous quality, but not so much quantity.  It’s a fantastic thing to see.

      Then, on the weekly US video cycles of all those that we know, I find a sense of hysteria. Not quite hysteria yet, but approaching that. More of a confusion powered by uncertainty, with a push to try and make some facts, sometimes.  Everyone knows precisely what Putin is thinking and why he is saying what he is saying.  Well .. thus far, Putin has been ahead of me at least – I cannot know what he thinks, why he believes that, and why he is saying what he is saying.

      Anyway, this is just an experience, and I might be assessing incorrectly.

      What I wanted to say is that, because we’re looking for alternative voices, it doesn’t mean you cannot post those that you like and are meaningful to you.  I hope I have not inadvertently stopped that .. That is not the idea, and apologies if I did.

       

       

      • #63130
        Aotearoa Bo
        Participant

        “There are no strangers here, only friends you haven’t yet met”

        American lads hanging with the T-bro’s (Taliban)

        ..checkout the USA military hardware available for sale  in the street markets

         

         

    • #63127
      Mr P
      Participant

      I understood happily, no sweat. Do not worry.

      ………..

       

      Bigbig bigly meeting Clown and Master maybe no happen…https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1953475179075518700

      Clown tries to change the deal after the deal? Typical! ““Trump will agree to meet with Putin only if he also holds talks with Zelensky” — White House representative Putin rejected a meeting with Zelensky today, so we have trouble.

    • #63128
      Mr P
      Participant

      In our recent discussion of Stalin,and in a video I suggested reviewing Furr, two books were spoken of.

      The Stalin Era and also Mission to Moscow.

      The former book is free at archive free to download…see…https://archive.org/details/the-stalin-era

      The latter is conditionally available at archive…https://archive.org/details/missiontomoscow0000unse

      There’s is also a film version of Mission to Moscow…which is mentioned in the book…this is also at archive…kinna corny…but Walter Huston and the players are fun, and the pro-soviet propaganda of the period which ran even as dark forces planned to destroy USSR … “the bomb is for Russia” fellas… this propaganda is of historical interest. https://archive.org/details/missiontomoscow1943

      Shall we see another Mission to Moscow with some fella playing Witkoff’s part? … 😉

       

       

    • #63138
      Mr P
      Participant

      Comrade Borzzikman reports zone 404… “RUSSIA Sank a 170-Meter-Long NATO Drone Carrier with the Help of The Mysterious ‘GARPIYA-A1’ UAVs ”  “sources in Kremlin say Ruskie is keeping the captured British spy-saboteurs…” …https://youtu.be/WwvJ2U5aCzg

    • #63153
      Mr P
      Participant

      Plutus…a sorta forgotten play…descriptive excerpt perhaps relevant in some strange way…

      ” The true Father Protector—the deity whom all men acknowledge—is here, he tells him, in the house. They mean to set him up permanently at Athens, in his proper place—the Public Treasury. And he shall be the minister of the new worship, if he likes to quit the service of Jupiter. The priest gladly consents, and an extempore procession is at once formed upon the stage, into which the old lady who has lost her lover is pressed, and persuaded to carry a slop-pail upon her head, to represent the maidens who, on such occasions, bore the lustral waters for the inauguration. Cario and the Chorus bring up the rear in an antic dance, and they proceed to establish at Athens, with all due formalities, the worship of Wealth alone.

      The Play>The Plutus of Aristophanes  url>https://dn790002.ca.archive.org/0/items/plutusaristopha00nicogoog/plutusaristopha00nicogoog.pdf

      Criticism> Aristophanes (Collins)/Chapter 9 – Wikisource, the free online library

      url> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aristophanes_(Collins)/Chapter_9

      excerpt of Collins>

      “The comedy which takes its name from the god of riches is a lively satire on the avarice and corruption which was a notorious feature of Athenian society, as it has been of other states, modern as well as ancient, when luxury and self-indulgence have created those artificial wants which are the danger of civilisation. The literal points of the satire are, of course, distinctly Athenian; but the moral is of no exclusive date or locality.

      Chremylus—a country gentleman, or rather yeoman, living somewhere close to the city of Athens—has found, in his experience of life, that mere virtue and honesty are not the best policy; at any rate, not the policy which pays.”

      Chremylus may remind some of certain public and not so public uber-rich creatures to-day.

      • #63155
        AHH
        Keymaster

        This is the essence of the Babylonian System.

        • First you slay other gods, and all with virtue and integrity.
        • You emplace in elite positions Liars and the scum of humanity, without even concept of honoring their fathers and self-respect.
        • You systematically seed War, Chaos, Privation, Degeneracy, and Ignorance — to erase pre-existing traditional knowledge and wisdom, cultures of dignity and resilience, and leave peoples focused on obtaining the next meal, and solely the next meal (paycheck today)
        • You formalize permanent universal slavery through underdevelopment, material and spiritual, via enshrining moneylenders (Banksters) at the top of the pyramid of the contrived human farm, deploying the most corrupting and insidious historical weapon known against human societies — usury, keeping the created wealthy criminals forever wealthy, and wealthier by the generation, and the poor ever poorer and poorer, utterly helpless to reverse their fate, without destruction of the entire system. And that’s where we are today

        “… [on the high mountain,] he showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, “All these things I will give you if you will fall down and worship me.” ..

        Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.”

        • #63161
          Mr P
          Participant

          😉 Yewbetcha 

        • #63169
          emersonreturn
          Participant

          thank you, dear AHH, beautifully said.  you’ve encapsulated precisely what i’ve felt for decades & could never put into words.

    • #63168
      amarynth
      Keymaster

      Oh, I agree, but not always with the framing.

      There is but a part of the world that flows with the framing. The interesting part comes when one looks at other framings.

      The sanjiao (“three teachings”) of Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism – It is not only culture or religion, but even cemented into Traditional Chinese Medicine. These are pillars of civilization.

      Check the trinitarian idea, which I find fascinating. From the distant past and identified in the sixth century, “Buddhism is the sun, Daoism the moon, and Confucianism the planets.” In other words, the whole of our existence within our solar sphere. (OK, these days we have a very big universe out there but those days, that is what they worked with).

      The overarching beliefs here are not heaven and hell, and the rulers of the world. It is both more nuanced and more definitive. Societal harmony, balance and goodness. When those are in balance, then the world will be just fine. So, it is not something that has to ‘leave the world, or be killed, or cast into the everlasting pit of hell’ but more something that needs to be included in our beings and togetherness as humans on our planet. The opposite reasoning. “I’ve seen the enemy and he is us”?

      In the Orthodox, Russian or Greek or those ones, they do not call out ‘sin’ exactly. They call it ‘missing the mark’. I think that by externalizing, instead of internalizing, out our three monotheistic religions are sometimes missing the mark by half a world.

    • #63195
      Mr P
      Participant

      I believe that the Hebrew word that’s translated as “sin” is a term from archery…meaning to miss the mark… 😉   Anyway a Rabbi I knew told me that… I kinna like “aw shucks” or “dang!”…which I used to hear at the rifle range from a girl from Meridian Mississippi …that said sometimes the marksman isn’t even on the paper…so to say there are degrees of sin…

      …………..

      I see Napolitano has interviewed to-day the fellas Larry and Ray…and then Pepe. 

      Is the US Morally… (dumb question!)    see…https://youtu.be/hWhWAC5wunA

      Pepe’s more interesting

    • #63198
      Mr P
      Participant

      Borzzikman (minute 7 +/- ) say Brits moved their fellas into Nikolave/Kherson…plan bases Odessa/Ochakova…South American “mercs” and “replacements” for the spies the Ruskies nabbed.

      I see a claim that the meeting between Clown and Putin may be in Alaska…15 August…maybe, ahdunno.

      Borzzikman>….Tensions Rise: After the Capture of MI6 Officers by Russ SPETSNAZ, Britain Landed Troops in NIKOLAEV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag4NDAw1yIk

      alaska

      • #63199
        amarynth
        Keymaster

        Alaska is confirmed for next Friday, but not the exact venue. Good!

    • #63201
      Grieved
      Participant

      Alaska is a brilliant choice. Geography is everything with this one. Far away from the reach of drones from London and Kiev, an area far more under the control of the US and RF militaries than a big city would be. Security should be really tight. And for most people in the US, I think Alaska is far enough away it doesn’t at all feel like Putin actually coming into the US.

      The Alaska Accords – if this happens and produces something – could form a nice historical pivot. One day the tunnel connecting the two continents could get built. Pipelines from Russia’s far east connecting to the US Alsakan pipelines. Imagine that. Lifting sanctions so that the US can buy Russia oil/gas – imagine that.

      ~~

      I’ve been waiting for Alex Krainer to parse all this, and to my great pleasure he’s paired with Harley Schlanger at Crypto Rich. Harley has the LaRouche viewpoint and Krainer has long held the high-altitude view on all of this, so the discussion is fascinating, even including the concept of Russia eventually taking back Constantinople, citing the Sheikh.

      It’s a spiritual war, a spiritual renewal – say military strategists that Krainer talked to in eastern Europe.

      And rule number one is beware of psy-ops because this place in time is heavily pregnant with them. Surface appearances cannot be trusted, and if one is willing to forego outrage at Trump for a bit, one might find the discussion valuable:

      EDIT:

      USA, RUSSIA, CHINA & THE SLOW EMERGENCE OF A MULTI-POLAR WORLD – ALEX KRAINER & HARLEY SCHLANGER

      (System didn’t want to take a direct link from this video platform??)

       

    • #63207
      AHH
      Keymaster

    • #63225
      Mr P
      Participant

      63108 Borzzikman’s statement re the Brit Black Sea bases combined with Doctorrow’s on RT this morning about the bigly deal with Clown and Putin – and the remarks Pepe made yesterday … all these combine to produce unease…

      I see at Locals:

      The negotiation process and details for a final settlement will most likely require multiple meetings between US & Russia. A top level meeting in the US and then in Russia. A beginning and an end.

      The big question, are we getting (A) Istanbul Plus (root causes) or (B)Minsk 3?

      Or… (C)…failure, war continues …

      People voted on the question …

      A…19.8%

      B…3.6%

      C…76.6%

      Minding my observation that sunk cost fallacy is not a fallacy, but a driver in the emotional and political realm.

       

    • #63239
      Mr P
      Participant

      Speaking of uneasehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LydKi7-8JfE&#8230;..Mark Sleboda: Trump’s Putin Meeting: A Dangerous DECEPTION? The War Is FAR From Over!   (Dialog Works…)

      ……………….

      Adding unease…Salty Sal say...Ship Registries Closing to the Dark [Shadow] Fleets of Russia, Iran, and Venezuela (Well well, we’ll see how that goes, Comrade!) …..https://youtu.be/wr1ovuhSZyw

      ………………….

      La guerre continue en mer et sur terre… sans parler du clown et de ses mensonges.

      • #63241
        amarynth
        Keymaster

        Little things like this: The head of the British Foreign Office David Lammy, and the American Vice President J.D. Vance are organizing a meeting of national security advisors from Europe, the USA, and Ukraine on Saturday, according to the office of British Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

      • #63249
        AHH
        Keymaster

        I share the deepest foreboding too. Russia’s military momentum and internal solidarity is being sliced like an onion with the finest scalpel. Diaphanous layer by diaphanous layer. As is Iran morally via Gaza, and China through incessantly changing “tariffs”.

        All three flummoxed and put into intra-elite quandary through superior opposing agility unhindered by morality or any compass beyond “everything but lose.”

        The strong hand and initiative is being steadily removed from them through futile talks. At a certain point, the sunk cost fallacy which also exists on the civilizational-states’ side must be reassessed.

        When are talks harmful, rather than merely counter productive?

        Note the refusal of Hamas to continue engaging in “negotiations” panicked and enraged the Anglo-Zionists, thereby deprived of narrative setting and time wasters. The silence of Hezbollah’s similarly raising exemplary fear and anxiety, leading to more and more crazed self-defeating behavior in Lebanon.

        Did the USSR waste national emotional energy on talks with German Nazis after Barbarossa? Or devote precious group focus on defeating irreconcilable existential enmity by Legion?

        Are the current Anglo-Zionists any less inflexible than the Third Reich?

        💠 @Palestinian Commie:
        ⭕ 🏴‍☠️🇺🇸⚔️🟡🇱🇧 Enemy media:

        “Leader of special operations in Haifa,
        Field commander in the first Battle of al-Bas
        Commander of Hezbollah’s ground battle
        Commander of the assassination operation against Benjamin Netanyahu
        Commander of the attack operation on the Ministry of Defense and Kiryat Binyamin — all this was done by [Hezbollah’s SG] Naeem Qassem

        What did we gain from the assassination of Nasrallah?

        Netanyahu cannot defeat Hezbollah nor disarm it. Hezbollah provokes Israel with this silence, and Netanyahu still acts crazily.”

        • #63250
          Mr P
          Participant

          Longtimeago in an old mining town foundry,a pattern-maker with whom I worked told a sketched story…seems a town fella, our neighbor, had a brother-in-law who lived in the city. And they had mutual friends. And there was antipathy between the two. The city-man talked too much and said he was going up into the hills to kill our neighbor…mutual friends made phone calls, said “Your brother in law is coming up to kill you.” Well, so he did arrive in our mining town. And as he walked up to the door, shotgun in hand, the city fella got shot dead. The sheriff was not happy, but did nothing. They had nothing to discuss. Some may find in the story a parable. The story happens to be true…I checked.

    • #63248
      Mr P
      Participant

      Reading “The Stalin Era” it’s natural to take interest in the author…in 1949 Anna Strong was arrested and deported from USSR…and went to China…there are various descriptions of her as a person…here is a bit she wrote about Mao…which I hope is revealing…and prescient too! Mao smart fella!

      A short documentary film…Witness to Revolution: The Story of Anna Louise Strong (1984) – YouTube  https://youtu.be/L8vRVCAkh1w

      Anna Louise Strong, An Interview with Mao Zedong (1960)
      I raised the question about the threat of war between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. The Chairman said that the talk of war was at present largely a smoke-screen which the reactionaries created to cover up the many immediate contradictions facing U.S. imperialism. American monopoly capital of course dreamed of destroying the U.S.S.R. but this aim was not so immediate. They must first wear down the American people’s opposition to war, and then they must bring other capitalist countries under American control. Any war against the U.S.S.R. had to be done through other countries’ territory, through Britain, France and China. So the American reactionaries used all this talk about fighting the U.S.S.R. to give excuse for attacking the American people’s civil rights and living standards and for bringing the other capitalist lands under American control. He pointed out how, under this pretext, the U.S.A. was setting up military bases in many places and had already taken a very large area under American control.

      Chairman Mao laughingly illustrated his point with the tea-cups and little white wine cups on the table, placing a big cup for American imperialism and surrounding it with a circle of little wine cups for the American people, with a long zigzag line filled up with match-boxes and cigarettes to represent other countries all separating American imperialism from the Soviet Union, a big cup at the other side. The cooperation of the people, he said, was strong enough, if properly aroused, to prevent a third world war. But this cooperation against world war must be aroused, otherwise the war would come.

      The metaphor of “paper-tiger” was used during this talk and I was especially impressed, not only by the metaphor but by the way in which Chairman Mao, without knowing English, was able to correct the exact translation of his words. When he first said that reactionary rulers are paper-tigers, the word-was translated “scare-crow.” Chairman Mao immediately stopped the talk and asked me to tell him just what a “scarecrow” is. When I replied that it is a figure like a man which peasants put up in a field to scare away crows, he at once expressed dissatisfaction, and said that this was not his meaning. A paper tiger, he said, is not something dead to scare crows. It scares children. It looks like a terrible tiger but actually, being made of pressed paper, it softens when damp and is washed away in a heavy rain.

      After this Chairman Mao used the “paper-tiger” in English, laughing at the sound of English words in a sentence, the rest of which was Chinese. Before the February Revolution in Russia, he said, the tsar looked very strong and terrible. But a February rain washed him away. Hitler also was washed away by the storms of history. So were the Japanese imperialists. They were paper-tigers all. The same thing would happen to all imperialists and reactionaries. Their strength lay only in the unconsciousness of the people. The consciousness of the people is the basic question. Not explosives of atom bombs but the man who handles them. He is still to be educated. After a moment, he added: Communist Parties have real power, because they awaken the people’s consciousness.

      (My Bolding)

      more bio…Anna Louise Strong…https://spartacus-educational.com/Anna_Louise_Strong.htm

       

    • #63252
      akidinthecrowd
      Participant

      Just a random comment …… Concerned The Big Event!

      There are only two things that come to my mind about the BIG EVENT coming up between:

      Donald “that war wouldn’t have started if I were President” Trump

      vs

      Vladimir “the authoritarian dictator” Putin

      Either Russia is going to play Lucy and pull the football out from under Charlie Brown and this meeting will not happen or this has been in the works for months in the background not under the media spotlight.
      There is no way that Russia can have all the necessary arrangements made in a week.

      How many times has Trumpanus said “I am disappointed in Putin”. And the media orchestra said “Russia does not want peace” too many to keep track of. Maybe Russia decided to play along with the story that they don’t want peace.
      Why would Putin agree to meet in the US? when there are numerous issues that the US needs to correct, starting with the theft of Russian property in the US and the stolen/frozen funds held from Russia in Europe along with the root causes that provoked Russia to abandon diplomacy and take the military technical route by declaring a Special Military Operation on 404?

      I may be missing something but if Vladimir Putin will not meet the illegitimate Piano Man acting as President of 404, because he is illegitimate and has no legal authority. Why would he meet the draft dodging, slum lord, carnival barking con man acting as the President of The United States, who Russia knows has no authority. Vladimir Putin already met with the consigliere Tom Hagen …er uh… Steve Witkoff a few times?

      • #63253
        Mr P
        Participant

        Doctorow has one view…”view of the upcoming Alaska talks, which he believes will involve economic cooperation in the Arctic as well as general security agreements between the US and Russia. He even mentions my favorite idea, building a tunnel under the Bering Straight connecting the two countries. The Alaska meeting will soon be followed by the China victory in World War 2 over Japan, and Doctorow says Trump will be there..”  Map…econ-o-Bering map

        Other view…BEAR TRAP ALASKA

        What makes sense includes fat clown with short sticky fingers is crooked as a dog’s hind leg an’ too old to change…and incompetent…thus conditionally his continued position may be usefull to Bear…And Crooked Clown may be shown naughty pictures at show and tell, if Iran shared the amusing files they swiped from the zionazi spies…Clown is on thin ice in terms of continued occupation… Let us recall Comrade Putin was is expert KGB fella, suborning individuals into assets. As to agenda, see Strong’s article on Mao and my bold. Nazis want everything… Nice wolf and bad wolf circle one-another in deadly duel…

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