Hello Nico Cost, and thanks for these two good questions. I’ll try to be clear.

You might say that the next step in conscious evolution is hiding behind what you think you already know. Even what you “know” about the spiritual world. But yet you cannot live in just pure “unknowing”. It is too scary, and that is built into the human mechanism. So life is a balance between what I call expansion and grounding. Expansion is not knowing and experiencing a flow of the new. Grounding is returning to old paradigms, and claiming they are still true, or even foundational axioms. This flux is life, and I don’t condemn it. Each has his (or her) own level of adventurousness.

As we relax within ourselves, we can let more of the new in. Is meditation a key to “relax within ourselves”? I’m not so sure; when you finish your session, nothing in your mental make-up has changed. Meditation is the skipping over of the mental field. So after, it regenerates the same life picture. Sometimes there is a great yearning to return to that awakening moment. That very yearning is a block to get there.

How I have progressed, is by finding the thought-to-feeling linkages and experimenting with them. In a way, I am moderating reaction to circumstances, to any circumstances. That is my way to relax within myself. I don’t suppress emotions, and I can even let them play out in the theater of life. But I also know that they are weightless, and they do not control my actions. My actions are directed by what I define as my objectives. If my objective is to “get-along” with someone, I won’t react to their impolite attacks, (if they make any). And maybe they do “need” a dressing down? I trust myself to decide in the moment.

Therefore conscious evolution is an iterative process, not the “big-bang” theory of awakening. That expectation is a very damaging aspect of spiritual-speak.
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> Time can go much faster or slower in the spiritual realm.

Time as a raw concept can do whatever we want to justify. Let it go up and down, in and out, spiral, circulate, oscillate, bend, fall off the edge of the universe. No big deal. But humans have a particular window into time.

It is called memory. Without the memory of one second ago, humans can have no sense of time. We are talking about human life and human society, so let’s stay in that window. Would we be an amoeba or a bacteria without memory, always in the present? So instead of asking what is time; We should be asking what is memory? I have no idea what it is. But it is the essence of humanness, and of the world as we picture it.

Human awareness has another trait. You can best notice a difference in a moving medium, delta-p or delta-t, temperature rising or falling, anger rising or falling, an object coming or going. What has no reference of movement, can give just limited, or no awareness to itself. The spiritual world is said to have no material content. Then what is there in the spirit world to vibrate or alter position? By the way, if there is no time, there is no space. If nothing moves from here to there in time, a here to there is not evident. It doesn’t move in space either. So the posited spirit world is located in “no-space” / “no-time”. It has no location. You might say that is everywhere? (Or nowhere.) Both those would be wrong. Or you might claim while it exists nowhere, it is everywhere accessible. That is a nice twist.

OK, BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION

Looking at the things you write, I would say that we have both arrived at many similar conclusions of what is wisdom. What works in both of our lives. I say it is simply my own process, that has been put into motion, (basically by not comparing to anyone else). If I tell someone what I have done, it is very straight-forward, with no secret or esoteric ingredients. They will be able to find their own process.

Perhaps you are saying your revelations have been a gift of a spiritual process, that you have engaged in, and has born fruit. Millions of seekers meditate and yearn. Some of them are satisfied by the result. Others just use it to relieve stress. I have no stress. Pain or discomfort maybe, but it doesn’t translate into stress. (Not yet anyway.)

Thanks

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Hello Nico Cost.  Let’s review where we found each other.  A forum is a flexible tool that allows people to bring forth their interests.  It is not so much about the content already here as embodied in other people’s interests.  In other words, I will be less interested in the Apocalypse, although I am informed.  I am less interested in Bioweapons, I’m not into preparing for survival (off grid I suppose), The open threads, lead where they want to go, collecting links?  People spend a lot of time searching for music videos.

Maybe no-one will pick up on my interests.  Then I am writing to further visualize my own articulation of how I think, (for now).  If someone does comment, we’ll see where it goes.  I am pretty well wedded to the tangible.  It has the anchor of reality.  While the intangible could add something, it can also go toward any and every fantasy.  It could be fun, but it can’t add much to life on earth if it gets too far out.  You have called that attachment to the tangible as “black and white”.  It is not even a decision, and (by now) it couldn’t go in any other way.  It is a discipline and a choice, not stubbornness.  I have come to believe that the tangible will give you everything you need, (in due time).  But this is the age of short-cuts, so there is no due-time.  Let’s jump-start it then.  I’ll just decide that I can be you; as you are describing yourself.  NO, I CAN’T.

Someone here shared with me in a good-hearted way, that “we” are old friends, and that we bring each other incredible gifts. “Old Friends” must mean there is a lot of agreement.  Or the agreement could be not to question other people’s conclusions.  Then our intricate relationships are about avoiding each other’s “NO-GO zones”.  For me, the most incredible gift would be to question your no-go zone, so that you might become free of it.  Why do you say this?  Why do you do this?  It is not an attack, and it takes finesse. Someone else said “we do not fight on this forum”.  But discussion is based on differing opinions.  If we all agree, there is no discussion.  We’ll just pat each other on the back.

>I am not saying for you to do what I do.  I am genuinely interested as to how you arrived there.  How consistently does it work in your life?

You have said that I do not ask any questions.  Everything that I write is a question.  I am anticipating your answer.  Whatever I am hoping to achieve, I am already achieving. I answered on another thread, I am already receiving most all of your gifts.  I do it by engaging with them, and you.  I have some doubts that you are receiving all of my gifts.  (I believe that they are substantial.)

If your focus is on me, and what are my hidden motivations, you may be missing the obvious.

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>1 + 1 = 2 is NOT a subjective assertion, it is a definition. There are no numbers in nature as an added label, but there are definitely entities and boundaries.  That is a tree, that is an open field over there.  They have boundaries in nature, but not the labels.  This is a forest on the shady side of the mountain.  The sunny side is too hot for that kind of tree. That is not semantics.  Spiritualists conclude there is something they call oneness.  “We are all one” and there is no separation.  I don’t see it that way.

>In meditation you approach Silence. In that silence, the verbal medium, (some call it the mental field) falls away.  Without words and concepts, I cannot find myself.  What I call me is a semantic construction from memory.  So, what the spiritual search reveals is NONE-NESS, NOT ONENESS.  It is a huge jump to claim they are the same.  If I am NO-THING, then you are NO-THING.  It is very dangerous, because if you do not exist in reality, then your problems and oppressions do not exist in reality.  So, I don’t care a fig about your complaints, I even add to them.

All the methods I have seen for meditation are to look behind (before) thoughts.  It means dismissing language.  So that all of your definitions in the mental field remain untouched.  I don’t have to climb inside everyone’s head to know that their life story will regenerate when meditation is finished.  Furthermore, if your track gurus over the years, you will find that disciples ask the very same questions, over and over again.  Even the same people. There is limited or no growth and no graduation allowed.  There are no diplomas given.

You mention insights from meditation do take hold, even if slowly.  But there are many operatives at work. For instance, meditation builds doubt about fixed beliefs.  That doubt is also an engine of transformation, with or without the meditation ingredient.

>Just this morning in a coffee shop I was telling a friend about our discussion.  He said one time he was playing with meditation and the instruction was to focus up and down on the areas called chakras and their connections.  At a certain point this energy took over, and he was merely the passenger.  It ended with a huge energy blossom above his head and a shower of exaltation.  It never happened again.  I think they call it a satori.  I don’t reject anything about it.  I can claim a few satori’s myself, but I never attempted to make meaning out of them.  Let them come when they come, and from the tangible.

>I wrote that people make up explanations regarding intangibles to feel less insecure.  Then you said that has always been the case, and will continue to be the case.  That is no reason to dismiss it as a linkage. Yes, these links are a caution to take that explanation less seriously. It is fulfilling some purpose. It is my slogan as Destination-Unknown.  I say “Anything new is hiding behind what you claim to know.”  Of course, you have to walk your own path.  But don’t just sit there, WALK.

>Once you know and are sure of the mechanisms of emotion, (you have repeatedly demonstrated them), they cannot get the better of you.  Or even just one of the mechanisms of emotion, I don’t have to claim I know all of that science.  This is my greatest gift.  I became aware of it among others that are aware of it.  But it has been written about for 1,000’s of years.  By far, most of humanity does not want to hear it.  Being a victim of circumstances is a way to jettison responsibility.  It is nuanced and there are levels, but ultimately, I have a powerful control panel.

>If we want to be helpful, we avoid being confusing.  Talking “at” people who have no connection to our claims, I think is counterproductive.  More about that is another discussion. Yes, I would say don’t state things out of their time sequence, before readiness.  Measure your speech by your perception of your audience. Can I do it?  Could I write a book, and know what is the introduction and what is Chapter one?  I am practicing now.

No way, my English is better than yours.  Please drop that idea.

Be well Nico.

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I did watch the video on the Ether body and the Water body. I guess his name is AnamnesisKen?

I would have never have given it time or interest, but I am interested in you, since we are getting to know each other. His general style is rather hard to follow since he presents a panoply of arguments in a kind of a spray format. I seriously try to avoid these obfuscations in my own writing, but I can be non-judgmental and try to apprehend what this man is saying. Somehow I made it to the end of his circles. He does say some things, if you can isolate them. (Maybe you are better at it than I am? Isolating)

He collapses all of scientific jargon down to two dimensions and then to one. The dimensionality world and the non-dimensionality world. Dimensionality might be what I call the verbal model of reality. And the non-dimensionality world is the NO-THING, no space, non-temporal, (of course) no language so no comment, no memory, no movement, nothing to move; yet he hypothesizes there are “beings” there. So there must be some kind of resonance or imagination that filters through, and effects our physical body?

Let it be; if that is your experience, but I say it shouldn’t be the foundation for a belief system. The tangible is easily grounded in “reality”. The intangible . . . . really . . . . why go there unless it repeatedly clobbers you over the head. Then you have to deal with it. You can describe it, as I have, as Silence. But how else can you interact with it. You can claim it is the source. Then everything in reality is ascribed to it. Then the life work is tracing all of those links.

To make sense out of KEN, you need a transcript, you can’t only follow his circular reasoning. They give a transcript of 5,000 words, but it is ladened with time stamps. I feel there are some deep inconsistencies in what he says and I could sort it out. But why bother? Unless that is your main premise, and I want to talk to you through it.

His presentation is very reveling in itself, without listening to a word. He believes in a plethora of fixed pre-ordained truths, that he has the key to unlock for us. He paints them on himself as a mass of tattoos. Are they for good luck, or are they reminders of his great wisdom? Or are we somehow impressed by this display? I would never consider a tattoo mark on myself, because I realize that it is not me. I am the field where all tattoos can flow through, so why fix on one. (Do tattooed people in their 80’s regret their folly at 20?) Surely.

So what is the meaning of this video for you?

One thing about discussion, it should have a focus. You bring up 5 or more things here in this comment. I have chosen to answer them in separate replies. Maybe that organizes them a little, and maybe not.

THE CONDITIONING

I generally say, when first human collective action was required, (when ten ancient hunters were throwing stone spears into the side of a woolly mammoth), then mankind entered the “virtual reality” of coordinating language. You can point to Santa Claus or the flat earth, but all human thinking is a verbal model, a map and not the territory. Some of it we can live by, like those things in science and engineering that are rather consistent. Other things haven’t ironed out, like “the most civilized”, Europe is slaughtering and displacing millions, merely to allow their billionaires to conquer Russia.

So yes, “Everything you have believed in all your life, you must be able (willing) to reject as untrue. Not that everything is false, but you must be willing to change your opinion completely”. It is not as difficult as you portray it. Just hold your “truths” lightly.

However, if your life has become defined by a complex web of assumptions, where is the way out, how to unravel it? Be sure, my fairytale serves me. (I’m economically privileged by it.) I won’t repeat much more, since you lay it our very-very clearly. Including “who are we to judge”. And becoming “me” is hard enough, not to direct others how to become “them”.

Then the conversation of comments turned toward the word “democracy”. You asked in number [4] Are the people physically, mentally and spiritually capable of thinking for themselves. ???

Conversations go where the most engaged people direct them.

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