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January 11, 2025 at 21:14 #49968
DestinationUnkown
ParticipantThe difficulty in assessing our “headway” is that we want a result to convince ourselves that our desire has progressed, that we have been transformed. (1,700 words)
You may have practiced (something) for many years. Have you practiced in order to arrive somewhere and then be conscious of that arrival? It is like the man who practices humility. Can humility be practiced? Surely, to be conscious that you are humble is not to be humble. You’re practicing in order to achieve a particular state, to satisfy a certain egoistic desire, a place where you will never be disturbed, where you will find everlasting happiness, permanent bliss. It is the ancient drive for permanent security, in new clothing.
There really is only the movement of learning—and that is the beauty of life. If you think you have arrived, there is nothing more. And all of you want to arrive, not only in your business, but also in everything you do; so now ?ARE you dissatisfied, frustrated, and miserable? There is no place at which to arrive: there is just this continuous movement of learning, which becomes painful only when there is an excess of accumulation. A mind that listens with complete attention will never look for a result, because it is constantly unfolding; like a river, it is always in movement. Such a mind is totally unconscious of its own activity, in the sense that there is no left-over energy for the perpetuation of a self, of a “me”, that is seeking to achieve these ends.
The Lure of Enlightenment
The priests throughout the world, whether Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Tibetan, or other, have always said that there is a promise of something greater. Follow my mental (thought-based) instruction and you will go to heaven, and if you don’t follow it, you will go to hell. Which is interpreted one way in the Hindu version, and in another way in other versions, but that is an irrelevant difference. Our minds are conditioned heavily by something other than “what-is.” The other is the promised land, it’s never-never land, heaven, enlightenment, nirvana, the moksha of the Hindus. Because I don’t know what to do with THIS, the “what-is,” and I reject it, my whole longing is for THAT. the what-should-be.
It is put in different ways: the Communists want a perfect State, a perfect environment. It is the same problem, the same issue only put in different words—the tomorrow is the refuge of hope, evolution, and achievement; fear and worry are all in the domain of tomorrow. So that it may be—that this question—is one of the fundamental reasons why human beings don’t change, because they have THAT—the perfect highest principle, called in India Brahman, or nirvana by the Buddhists, heaven by the Christians, and so on. That may be one of the fundamental reasons why human beings don’t change. Because of this perfect ideal, the perfect man or woman, which means the “what-is” is not important, but the perfect ideal is the only importance, the perfect State is important, the nameless infinite is important. So don’t bother with “what-is,” don’t look at “what-is,” but translate “what-is” in terms of “what-should-be.” You understand? We have created a duality: the “what should be” and “what-is.” And we are saying that it may be one of the major reasons why human beings don’t change.
When there is this division between “what is” and “what should be” (the highest), then there is conflict, right? Wherever there is division there must be conflict, that is an ironclad law. We have been conditioned in creating this division, to accept, to live in this division between the “what-is” and “what should be.” The “what should be” has been brought about because I don’t know how to deal with “what-is.” Or the “what should be” is seen as a lever—you understand?—a lever to get rid of “what-is.” So it is a conflict, it is a permanent struggle. So why has the mind created the “what should be”? And why is it totally NOT-concerned with “what-is”? Why has the mind done this? Why has thought done this?
Thought, if it is at all aware, already knows it has created “what-is,” and thought says, “this is only a fragment, this is transitory, but my ideal, that is permanent”. This “what-is” is transitory, and thought has created the highest principle, which it defines as a fixed permanent TRUTH—thought thinks that out. This is impermanent, that is permanent. Both sides being the creation of the same thought process. God, the Savior—all created by thought, the “what-should-be”, created by the same thought from the same repository of memory.
Thought has created this division, and then thought says, “I cannot solve THIS, but I am going to approach THAT.” Now when you see the truth of it, (that which does not exist), Only this remains. Thought has created the perfect ideal, the perfect State, perfect nirvana, perfect moksha, perfect heaven, because it does not know what to do with THIS, with the “what-is”, with my sorrow, my agony, my impenetrable ignorance. So thought has created this division. It is not your logical acceptance of it that will change anything, but realizing the deep truth of it?
IF you see the truth of it, then THAT—the ideal, the perfect—doesn’t exist. Because you know nothing about it, it is merely a mysterious projection of thought. They’re your thoughts, but mostly they are the borrowed thoughts of millions of others. There is a great momentum to it. With the THAT gone, you have an abundance of energy to deal with the “what-is.” Instead of losing energy out-there, you now have the energy to deal with what is happening. You see the difference? So now you have the energy to deal with “what-is.”
Then you have to learn how to look at “what-is.” To observe “what-is.” Now you no longer have the duality created by “what should be,” but only “what-is.” Are you beginning to see the implications of it? When there is no “what-should-be,” NO more “highest principle”, you have only this. THIS is a fact, and THAT is not a fact. We can deal with facts. When there is no duality, there is only one thing, say, for instance, violence. There is only violence, not the ideal of nonviolence. The nonviolence is “what should be.” So when you see the truth of it, there is only violence, right? Now you have the energy and the focus to deal with this violence.
What is violence? Go into it for a moment. Violence: anger, competition, comparison, imitation—imitation being I am this, but I must be that. Violence psychologically is comparison and imitation, various forms of conformity, essentially a comparison—I am this, I must be that—that is violence. (Not just throwing bombs, physical violence, that is something quite different). That is brought about by our rotten society, our immoral society, we won’t go into that just now.
There is only this one thing, violence. What is important here? What is the nature of it? You may not agree with this description, but you know what we mean by violence—jealousy, anger, hatred, annoyance, arrogance, vanity, all that is part of the structure of violence. That violence comes with the picture, with the image I have created, that is part of my images, my conclusions. Now, can the mind be free of the image? As long as there is an image, a picture, I must be violent. The picture is formed through sensation, plus an overlay of descriptive thought, and the image appears. So a human being realizes that as long as there is this image created through sensation plus thought, as long as that image—which is defined as the me—exists, I must be violent. Violence means “me” and “you,” “we” and “they.” So violence is there as long as these images of self exist. And each image is sensation plus thought. And there is no image if there is only complete sensation, (with no attaching thought). So then we can deal simply with “what-is.”
Look: I am angry, or I hate somebody—(I don’t), but we can take that as an example. I hate somebody because he has done something ugly, hurt me, and hurt all the others. My instinctual response, being a fairly intelligent, fairly normal human being, is to say, “I mustn’t hate him, it would be worse.” I now have two images: I hate, and I mustn’t hate. Two images. So there is a battle between these two images. One says: control, suppress, change, don’t yield—that goes on all the time as long as two images exist. And I know—I have realized this very deeply—that the images are formed through sensation plus thought. That is a fact. You can realize that.
So I put away non-hate, the ideal—you understand? I have only this feeling of annoyance, anger, hatred. What is that feeling, created through the image, by some action of another? You have done something to the image-that-is-me. And that image is hurt, and the reaction to that hurt is anger. And if I have no image, (thought, plus sensation), if I have no image, you don’t touch my equanimity—you understand? There is no wounding, there is no hate—which as of now is the “what-is.” Now I know, I am aware of what to do with the “what-is.”
So I have found human beings don’t change because they are wasting their energy, they don’t change because they are exercising their will, which they think is extraordinarily noble, which is called freedom of choice. And also, they don’t know what to do with “what-is” and therefore project “what should be,” and also perhaps because THAT, the nirvana, moksha, heaven, is far more important than this “what-is”, the violence or whatever. These are the blocks that prevent human beings from changing, this is why they don’t radically transform themselves. If you have understood this deeply, with your blood, with your heart, with all your senses, then you will see that there is an extraordinary transformation without the least bit of effort.
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January 12, 2025 at 05:29 #49995
Nico Cost
ParticipantI can also turn it around. Everything you write here about thoughts is a block. Everything you think about thinking is deformed, because your thinking is deformed. Our thinking can and does reason in all directions according to what we want or are convinced (want to be convinced) of something. If we don’t trust our thinking, why should we trust our thinking about thinking? What does your feeling say about your thinking?
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January 14, 2025 at 03:44 #50098
DestinationUnkown
ParticipantHi Nico, Good to talk, as always.
I am not describing the content of thoughts. I am describing the mechanism of thoughts. The only doorway to the past or the future is through thinking. That is obvious for anyone that looks, it is not a distorted subjective determination. THEREFORE, a huge amount of thought is wandering in regret or replaying the past, or in the projected plans (fantasies) for tomorrow.
Thought is mostly busy rejecting or upgrading the present, by busying the attention far away from this life. What percentage of attention is left over to run this life? (Not enough to make a difference.) What are all these “thinking directions”? I am suggesting they are only backwards and forwards, and only because I feel my present life is painful. Thought is the major tool of escape and disengagement.
I commented in #13 that I use thought every day. I trust it for what it is useful for, and I doubt it for escapes, or where it has never produced a result. Like with the elimination of WAR.
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January 15, 2025 at 08:02 #50168
Nico Cost
ParticipantThinking is not an isolated activity; it is a complex activity that is also influenced by the unseen world. Thinking uses acquired impressions, from the Earthly senses but also from spiritual senses. Inventions, for example, are made by the collective and an individual can make use of them and give effect to them. Looking at the past or the future can also be done precisely from feeling and the senses directed to the unseen world. So thinking is much more than you describe when you talk about the mechanism of thinking. A human being, unlike AI, has access to consciousness.
Our thinking has access to everything, but given the stage of evolution we are in, we are still limited to a narrow bandwidth. We are conditioned at birth by the past and are conditioned from birth into the present. We are born with a description that only thickens during our lifetime. Learning to detach from that description to become freer is the challenge. And we must do exactly that by learning to think better.
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January 16, 2025 at 03:39 #50212
DestinationUnkown
ParticipantHi Nico, I really like talking with you, (writing), I hope that we can keep the dialog going.
True, I don’t consider the unseen. That is because I don’t see it, (or sense it), and I have no way to determine why people are talking about what is unknowable. You can say that you are on speaking terms with the unseen, but prey tell, how do you know that is the source? It is a path that can, AND HAS, gone all over the universe, and it’s been used as THE tool to maul planet earth.
(By the way, AI has no consciousness, only enormous memory and speed.)
You’re saying learning to detach equals thinking better. I see it as the opposite, more thinking is more attachment. Well, you can’t be sure.
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I going to answer your home-page post here because I don’t appreciate that abbreviated comment set-up. Yeah, you can click “more”, but it is folded up in 3 lines.
My life doesn’t necessarily develop from the precepts you are working with. But it does develop, and with a brisk dynamic. I’ll comment on a couple of things here:
> the intuitive comes in as a feeling, (perhaps from the unseen source?) Does that source guide you to interpret it, or are you left to your own devices? (Then you said “perhaps something else is dominant.”) That’s mystic!
> Equating “feeling” with “knowing” in animals and plants? A bird knows how to make a nest. Is that a feeling?
> We cannot yet do this thinking very well is another issue. What is the basis of that judgment? It is only about our current likes and dislikes, isn’t it?
> Most people run after others. If the others are making it through, isn’t that the proof of safety? I view security as the main human preoccupation.
> Intuitive-Knowing can be enriching, if you can learn to integrate it. Is it desire based? Most desire is probably a learned cultural conditioning. Is our culture building or declining?
> Consciousness can only materialize (expand), with thinking. (This broad statement is surely limiting.)
> What I possess is actually on Lease. That is a valid transaction.
> Many animals mate for life, with or without a marriage ceremony.
> Thinking will be integrated with feeling and inner intuitive knowing. Thinking and feeling are linked by old judgments. Inner knowing is up-for-grabs, maybe never.
> Consciousness will materialize to a greater degree in our brain and body. I don’t know, but I sincerely doubt this is a necessary definition. What if you just say: Consciousness-IS, and as you strip away the web of stray thoughts, it becomes clear what is the content of that consciousness?
> HERE ARE SOME GOOD ONES.
Thinking is the causative agent of all problems man makes and has.
If God doesn’t talk to you directly, why does he talk to someone else? Or visa-versa.
Other people’s wisdom can only have value when we ourselves are wise.
Habits and traditions we can forget because they keep us stuck in the past.
You only have to look clearly at nature to learn how everything fits together.Thanks
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January 16, 2025 at 04:56 #50217
Nico Cost
ParticipantWe’re all connected with the unseen, the one universal consciousness or God if you like. Mostly we’re unaware about this, but everyone gets a hunch once in a while and somehow know things they could not have known before. Some people are more conscious about this phenomenon and if very talented they can be called prophets, seers or goeroes.
Where this can go wrong is when people use wisdom to enslave others instead of helping them to get conscious themselves. A true prophet will help people to connect with the unseen themselves instead of trying to be an intermediate. Nothing on Earth can stand between man and God. A true teacher or master will stand aside and guide the process instead of telling his own truth.
My truth is mine and surely won’t have to be your truth. It’s a bit of a paradox, because on the one hand I share my truth which can condition and on the other hand not sharing my truth takes away an opportunity to mirror each other and learn from each other. The latter is exactly the thinking process we need to evolve.
Consciousness is energy, thinking is matter. I know this is much more fluid, but both connect in another realm.
When this don’t answer your comments, please repeat the left overs.
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